Van Stall users

[Casting Z's]

Originally Posted by big jay

Your "feeback" sounds like trashing one brand, and giving an infomercial for another. And your first post made it sound like you killed 5 reels yourself - you didn't mention that you were including someone elses experience in your stats.

As for my boat - Thank you. I am proud of her.

And am proud to own the toughest SURF reel available period....

Don't forget, this is a poll!
I still own two 150VS's (soon to sell them off) and sold a 200. That's a lot of cash to put out just to have a backup surf reel. The 200 held up great, but I didn't use it as my nightly reel as it is too big and not necessary for big stripers. At best, in the open ocean, the cows will run 100 yds and turn to the left or right before tiring.
I now put all my eggs in one basket after seeing how well built and sealed these ZeeBaas are. I took one apart and put it back together in under 10 min. I posted pics on SOL under "inside the ZeeBaas" if anyone is interested.

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by Casting Z's

And am proud to own the toughest SURF reel available period....

Don't forget, this is a poll!
I still own two 150VS's (soon to sell them off) and sold a 200. That's a lot of cash to put out just to have a backup surf reel. The 200 held up great, but I didn't use it as my nightly reel as it is too big and not necessary for big stripers. At best, in the open ocean, the cows will run 100 yds and turn to the left or right before tiring.
I now put all my eggs in one basket after seeing how well built and sealed these ZeeBaas are. I took one apart and put it back together in under 10 min. I posted pics on SOL under "inside the ZeeBaas" if anyone is interested.

What is your actual affiliation with ZEE-BAAS? I mean come on now do you think we are really all that stupid or do you really just love the reel that much which is really disturbing given what it does as opposed to what it cost as opposed to what your fishing for.

And lastly can you get me a free one?

[ThrowingTimber]

I could easily go online and say I wrecked 900 van staals. I need proof to believe stuff... hear say and speculation isnt tangible for me

call me grumpy, non-social or whatever but I believe none of what I read or hear and half of what I see first hand.

[Casting Z's]

I love this little private club you guys have here! A few individuals seem to run the roost. DARE NOT CONTRADICT ANY OF US HERE OR ELSE!
WE'LL EM HIGH!
I don't really see the need to prove myself to any of you. It wouldn't matter any way!
Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Casting Z's

I love this little private club you guys have here! A few individuals seem to run the roost. DARE NOT CONTRADICT ANY OF US HERE OR ELSE!

Hehehe, no club, just a bunch of people that see a lot of snake oil salespeople come along. I don't think you are selling snake oil because you repeatedly state you have no fishing interests business-wise. BUT, you do come across as thick about pro ZB (you are now the standard barer ) and as anti-VS as Flaptail (the current standard barer ). Take an out of body experience for a little bit and look in your threads on how you ballwash for ZeeBaas. There is no question on how you like them and it is understandable, they are sweet reels - for some people. But you come across as a zealot, perhaps more so than even you think. I've been on this board for a while and was on web/BBS for longer and I say this with all sincereness, the tone you take Pro ZB is like that of a fanatical salesman, no soft sell at all.

WE'LL EM HIGH!
I don't really see the need to prove myself to any of you. It wouldn't matter any way!

That's just it, there is nothing to prove. Show your love for fishing, you r enjoyment. The ZeeBaas will take care of itself. You don't need to prove it's mettle by trashing it's principle competitor. Honestly, it does not do the ZeeBaas much good - as a sales tool - to be so fanatically for ZB and so flamatory against VS...

Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

Very nice work remodeling (I don't think remodeling is the right word here), way out of my league for "Home Improvements", but very nice work

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Hehehe, no club, just a bunch of people that see a lot of snake oil salespeople come along. I don't think you are selling snake oil because you repeatedly state you have no fishing interests business-wise. BUT, you do come across as thick about pro ZB (you are now the standard barer ) and as anti-VS as Flaptail (the current standard barer ). Take an out of body experience for a little bit and look in your threads on how you ballwash for ZeeBaas. There is no question on how you like them and it is understandable, they are sweet reels - for some people. But you come across as a zealot, perhaps more so than even you think. I've been on this board for a while and was on web/BBS for longer and I say this with all sincereness, the tone you take Pro ZB is like that of a fanatical salesman, no soft sell at all.





That's just it, there is nothing to prove. Show your love for fishing, you r enjoyment. The ZeeBaas will take care of itself. You don't need to prove it's mettle by trashing it's principle competitor. Honestly, it does not do the ZeeBaas much good - as a sales tool - to be so fanatically for ZB and so flamatory against VS...



Very nice work, way out of my league, but very nice work

Bossman, shouldn't it be standard "bearer" not "barer"? Although baring the hype about VanZebco is accurate in my case and works for me!!!!!

BTW they are still in discussion about what we talked about last week at Plugfest here at work. If something breaks I will let you know, I did mention I had a guy in mind who could possibly fit the bill.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Bossman, shouldn't it be standard "bearer" not "barer"? Although baring the hype about VanZebco is accurate in my case and works for me!!!!!

- Yeh, yeh, yeh - well, my editing skills (and spell check apparently) need a little bit of work

BTW they are still in discussion about what we talked about last week at Plugfest here at work. If something breaks I will let you know, I did mention I had a guy in mind who could possibly fit the bill.

Uhhh, yep.... Like I said, I would be happy to assist in a part time complimentary role

[Casting Z's]

Your right John! It's the craftsman in me. When I do or see something so well done, I want everyone to know that it's was created with a no compromise mentality. Only from a pure love of what someone is doing can produce the quality that is unmatched. I only push products I know are as good as the work I do. As for ZeeBaas, I'm trying to help out one of the last true 100% american built products from a man who really cares about what he offers to us.

Originally Posted by JohnR

Hehehe, no club, just a bunch of people that see a lot of snake oil salespeople come along. I don't think you are selling snake oil because you repeatedly state you have no fishing interests business-wise. BUT, you do come across as thick about pro ZB (you are now the standard barer ) and as anti-VS as Flaptail (the current standard barer ). Take an out of body experience for a little bit and look in your threads on how you ballwash for ZeeBaas. There is no question on how you like them and it is understandable, they are sweet reels - for some people. But you come across as a zealot, perhaps more so than even you think. I've been on this board for a while and was on web/BBS for longer and I say this with all sincereness, the tone you take Pro ZB is like that of a fanatical salesman, no soft sell at all.





That's just it, there is nothing to prove. Show your love for fishing, you r enjoyment. The ZeeBaas will take care of itself. You don't need to prove it's mettle by trashing it's principle competitor. Honestly, it does not do the ZeeBaas much good - as a sales tool - to be so fanatically for ZB and so flamatory against VS...



Very nice work remodeling (I don't think remodeling is the right word here), way out of my league for "Home Improvements", but very nice work

[dredey]

I had 2 van staals fail on me while fishing. One while pencil popping and the other anti reverse bearing gave out w/fish on. They were repaired at no cost and the van staal customer service is top notch. No problems with my 7" vs pliers though. To me I still would not use anything else.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Casting Z's

Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

since this thread has already gone offcourse...
wow.. its nice to see a craftsman in the house- i love your website- did you do it yourself?? I am just about to re-do mine.. If any of your clients need custom glass pendant lights let me know
As for defending yourself, dont let these guys get to you.. they are very proud of their gear and get grumpy when they are told it isnt the best.

[Casting Z's]

I've learned you're the glass blower. You should see the four custom light fixtures one of my clients had made. They are between 24- 30" tall and shaped like olives, with different colors. 3.5" openings at the top and bottom. I rigged the wires with woven braided SS. sheath, ( the stuff like a chinese finger traps) and custom built hardware to retain the weight of 20# from twenty five feet above the floor. I'll try to send you some pics if I can find any displaying them.

Originally Posted by Nebe

since this thread has already gone offcourse...
wow.. its nice to see a craftsman in the house- i love your website- did you do it yourself?? I am just about to re-do mine.. If any of your clients need custom glass pendant lights let me know
As for defending yourself, dont let these guys get to you.. they are very proud of their gear and get grumpy when they are told it isnt the best.

[Nebe]

I'd love to see them- heres one of mine....

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by Casting Z's

I love this little private club you guys have here! A few individuals seem to run the roost. DARE NOT CONTRADICT ANY OF US HERE OR ELSE!
WE'LL EM HIGH!
I don't really see the need to prove myself to any of you. It wouldn't matter any way!
Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

Does this mean I don't get a free one?

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Casting Z's

Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

Exactly what does plugging your biz have to do with fishing?

There are quite few of us here who've been in the trades who don't plug what we do here.Matter of fact many including myself have been at it longer, been doing it harder and simply put are better at it but we ain't promoting it on a fishing site unless we're a sponsor.

To be honest it almost comes across as a slap in the face.Think about how you come across..."screw you,this is what I do.Look at my work."

And before you respond notice in my response I mentioned no fishing reels or an opinion thereof.I simply take offense to the notion that somehow your sh!t don't stink and possibly some of ours does.

[Casting Z's]

You missed the point! My affiliation with ZeeBaas is no affiliation at all. Just chill Basswipe!

Originally Posted by basswipe

Exactly what does plugging your biz have to do with fishing?

There are quite few of us here who've been in the trades who don't plug what we do here.Matter of fact many including myself have been at it longer, been doing it harder and simply put are better at it but we ain't promoting it on a fishing site unless we're a sponsor.

To be honest it almost comes across as a slap in the face.Think about how you come across..."screw you,this is what I do.Look at my work."

And before you respond notice in my response I mentioned no fishing reels or an opinion thereof.I simply take offense to the notion that somehow your sh!t don't stink and possibly some of ours does.

[Terence]

Had a few problems from hard use and Dan took great care of me. Top notch customer service from him.
David has replaced bearings and seals for me as well.
Still a great reel.

[JohnR]

Casting Zs - You may have had the worst luck with VS of anyone I have ever met. I know guys that have been fishing VS for so long that they have had them now allocated in their wills... I don't think I have met someone that has had as many problems with the VS as you have. Guys who fish really hard and abuse the crap out of reels and catch a lot of fish.

I think the ZB is a great reel (other than too small currently) and time will tell how it holds up. Biggest fish I've landed on mine so far is 24# so we'll still need to see how it stacks up on large fish.

It is hard at times reading your post on the ZeeBaas because you sound like you treat it with higher regard than your children (assuming you have some). You've sworn us up & down that you have no affiliation whatsoever with ZB, or any tackle shop or fishing entitiy, right? So why the hard sell? Why the VS Trash Talk? The ZeeBaas may be better than the Van Staal, time will tell, but we need to see the time - this reel has been on the market for about a year, it will take time....

When people say you sound like you have an agenda, it's because - about ZB - it sounds like you have an agenda... So in the words of John Winger, "Lighten Up Francis" - at least a little....

Thanks