Cheating

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

As the Raiders saying used to go back in the 70s
"If you aint cheating, you aint trying"

LOL. Ray Guy almost made it to Canton punting a ball partially filled with helium--or so rumor has it

And the Snake's classic "forward lateral", uh, I mean "fumble" into the end zone for Casper to recover

Freddie "Doctor Stickum" Bilitnekoff.

Those were the days

[nightfighter]

And let's not forget Lester Hayes, draped all over the receivers to 15 yards down field.... I bet the Raiders are directly responsible for more rule changes than any other three teams.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

And let's not forget Lester Hayes, draped all over the receivers to 15 yards down field.... I bet the Raiders are directly responsible for more rule changes than any other three teams.

Yup--but I loved watching them back then. It seemed like they were always the late doubleheader game.

Raiders vs Chiefs--always a blood war.

All of the guys I mentioned were great players. Stabler belongs in Canton. He was Elway before there was an Elway--master of the two-minute drill. Helium or not, Guy was the best punter ever.

Did Hayes and Haynes ever play in the same defensive backfield?

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Yup--but I loved watching them back then. It seemed like they were always the late doubleheader game.

Raiders vs Chiefs--always a blood war.

All of the guys I mentioned were great players. Stabler belongs in Canton. He was Elway before there was an Elway--master of the two-minute drill. Helium or not, Guy was the best punter ever.

Did Hayes and Haynes ever play in the same defensive backfield?

Stabler Should be in the hall of fame! If he were playing in todays west coast system , he would be one of the greatest ever, but they played throw deep/ power running back then, and when you throw deep all of the time you will throw ints as he did, keeping him out!
Guy was not only one of the greatest punters ever, he was their 3rd string quarterback most years with Lamonica & Stabler, then Plunkett..
but Guy had the best arn (by far) of all of them! just ask John Madden
They were the starting corners in super bowl 18, maybe the greatest starting pair of corners ever!

[fishsmith]

Bill Simms Page2 on espn has a good article on the evil bill belichick, and they bring up these points -




*Hey, remember a couple years ago when the Steelers accused the Colts of piping in crowd noise at the RCA Dome?

*Remember when the Broncos broke salary-cap rules in order to build the 1997-98 championship team?

*Remember when Jim Haslett admitted to using steroids when he was playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers during their dynasty years of the '70s?

*Remember when Herm Edwards admitted to breaking NFL rules by using Stick-Um even after it was banned in 1980?

*And remember when Lawrence Taylor said he used to send hookers up to the hotel rooms of opposing running backs while he sat at home doing blow? I mean, are we taking away the '86 Giants' Super Bowl championship too? Come on, already. This stuff happens.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Stabler Should be in the hall of fame! If he were playing in todays west coast system , he would be one of the greatest ever, but they played throw deep/ power running back then, and when you throw deep all of the time you will throw ints as he did, keeping him out!

Someone once asked Bear Bryant who was the best QB he ever coached, expecting to hear that it was another guy who wore #12.

Bryant replied, "Kenny Stabler was the best QB I ever coached" without a second's hestitation.

[fishsmith]

"coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

The commissioner also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't."

I think we're going to make it just fine, now I hope the best for San Fran this year

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by fishsmith

"coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

The commissioner also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't."

I think we're going to make it just fine, now I hope the best for San Fran this year

holy crap
well that sucks
I hope they can keep their noses clean now because they are still in the crosshairs of all the nfl

[fishsmith]

Originally Posted by fishsmith

now I hope the best for San Fran this year

I take that back, we get to keep the 49er's 1st rounder. I wish them the worst.

The arguement I have for the punishment is, Belichick could leave the Pats and we'd be without the draft picks and he could be at a new club with all their picks.

The whiner line had a funny line yesterday - " Hello IRS, this is Eric Mangini, .. my father hasn't paid his taxes"