Gamefish Status???

[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by zimmy

or the comms. quota of the catch could become available to recs (I know there is some concern that that is the agenda of those pushing for game fish status) . I don't care who is catching, just how many are getting taken. Ending the commercial harvest wouldn't have near as big an effect on the stocks as going to 1 fish for recs would.

The Executive Order will have NO IMPACT on how many S-B are caught in the commercial catch as there is already a "regulation" that stops commercial fishing for S-B in the EEZ. It would strengthen that regulation.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

The Executive Order will have NO IMPACT on how many S-B are caught in the commercial catch as there is already a "regulation" that stops commercial fishing for S-B in the EEZ. It would strengthen that regulation.

That's not at all true. While it may not have an effect on the EZZ, what about the Coast, Narragansett Bay, the Cape Cod Canal, the Outer beaches, Cape Cod Bay, buzzards bay, etc. It's all open to commercial rod and reel S-B fishing. If the quota is 3 million pounds in Mass and S-B get game status, then that's 3 million pounds that don't get caught and sold in the commercial market.

Am I missing something here????

[GonnaCatchABig1]

"Gamefish status will deny access to this public trust resource to people who want to eat striped bass or red drum but don't have either the time or the money or the desire to go recreational fishing," said Rob West of Buxton.

uh oh.. just think of all the morons that will be out trying to catch a meal now. you know the ones.. the guys who think you just caught all the frozen bunker.

hopefully they will just give up on eating striper. but ya know about 15% of them will attempt it. get a ready for a flood of guys with no fishing etiquette.


also.. hope they have some even more strict anti-poaching plans in the works. cause now theres gonna be an increased black market for stripers.

the rest of the issue i know nothing about. but seems like it would increase stock. but only by fractions if at all. still want either a slot or higher limits and one fish per person per day.

[riverrat2]

1 a 36 for recs, leave the mass comm season the way it is, a controlled quota which is quite small compared by overall recs kills in mass alone. And whats up with everyone complaining about pogie regs, in case anyone hasn't noticed there are more pogies around right now than there has been in a long time.

[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by piemma

That's not at all true. While it may not have an effect on the EZZ, what about the Coast, Narragansett Bay, the Cape Cod Canal, the Outer beaches, Cape Cod Bay, buzzards bay, etc. It's all open to commercial rod and reel S-B fishing. If the quota is 3 million pounds in Mass and S-B get game status, then that's 3 million pounds that don't get caught and sold in the commercial market.

Am I missing something here????

Yes, I think you are missing the point. the Executive Order has nothing to do with State Waters or waters inside three miles. Commercial fishing in all of the places you mention will NOT BE AFFECTED!!!!!!

Currently/right now/today/in 2007 there is/was no Striped Bass fishing of any kind in FEDERAL WATERS (aka EEZ or ouside the three mile line). To be clear, in 2007 there was no commercial or recreational S-B legally caught in Federal waters. This is because Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission has a regulation that prohibits ALL Striper fishing in Federal waters.

This new Executive Order will permanently prohibit commercial fishing of Striped Bass only in Federal Waters. In other words the President is going to issue an order that will change nothing. Next year, after the executive order, the same commercial fishery will exist in the same waters it did today. The quotas will be managed the same, nothing is going to change.

What we fear is that by prohibiting only commercial fishing, the order will be interpreted as "not prohibiting" recreational fishing for S-B inn Federal Waters and will open a door to those that want to end the many years these fish that reside in federal waters have enjoyed.



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[JoeP]

I read some more. It seems Patrick's right - that is all the Executive Order has the power to do. Useless.

Apparently CCA is simply hoping this FEderal move will "influence" the States to do the same. Never will happen.

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

Yes, I think you are missing the point. the Executive Order has nothing to do with State Waters or waters inside three miles. Commercial fishing in all of the places you mention will NOT BE AFFECTED!!!!!!

Currently/right now/today/in 2007 there is/was no Striped Bass fishing of any kind in FEDERAL WATERS (aka EEZ or ouside the three mile line). To be clear, in 2007 there was no commercial or recreational S-B legally caught in Federal waters. This is because Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission has a regulation that prohibits ALL Striper fishing in Federal waters.

This new Executive Order will permanently prohibit commercial fishing of Striped Bass only in Federal Waters. In other words the President is going to issue an order that will change nothing. Next year, after the executive order, the same commercial fishery will exist in the same waters it did today. The quotas will be managed the same, nothing is going to change.

What we fear is that by prohibiting only commercial fishing, the order will be interpreted as "not prohibiting" recreational fishing for S-B inn Federal Waters and will open a door to those that want to end the many years these fish that reside in federal waters have enjoyed.



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[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Apparently CCA is simply hoping this FEderal move will "influence" the States to do the same. Never will happen.

I think CCA is hoping ASMFC will open up the EEZ for recreational fishing. They have been in favor of opening the EEZ for some time.

That would be bad

[Peter D]

I think CCA is hoping ASMFC will open up the EEZ for recreational fishing.

CCA is more interested in rec fishing than reducing total SB mortality. The recs are responsible for most of the killing. It's a rec supported money grab by special interests who earn their $ from the rec industry.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

I think CCA is hoping ASMFC will open up the EEZ for recreational fishing. They have been in favor of opening the EEZ for some time.

That would be bad

Yeah, I guess this is what I was thinking about... and gamefish status could make this more likely to happen.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

Yes, I think you are missing the point. the Executive Order has nothing to do with State Waters or waters inside three miles. Commercial fishing in all of the places you mention will NOT BE AFFECTED!!!!!!

Currently/right now/today/in 2007 there is/was no Striped Bass fishing of any kind in FEDERAL WATERS (aka EEZ or ouside the three mile line). To be clear, in 2007 there was no commercial or recreational S-B legally caught in Federal waters. This is because Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission has a regulation that prohibits ALL Striper fishing in Federal waters.

This new Executive Order will permanently prohibit commercial fishing of Striped Bass only in Federal Waters. In other words the President is going to issue an order that will change nothing. Next year, after the executive order, the same commercial fishery will exist in the same waters it did today. The quotas will be managed the same, nothing is going to change.

What we fear is that by prohibiting only commercial fishing, the order will be interpreted as "not prohibiting" recreational fishing for S-B inn Federal Waters and will open a door to those that want to end the many years these fish that reside in federal waters have enjoyed.



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I stand corrected. i didn't realize the EO would have no effect on state waters.