Capt Bob Rochetta vs Albert McReynolds

[Swimmer]

I hope I never catch an eighty pounder with only my brother or my friend with me. I am going to make sure I have my attornies, best boy, gaffer, two cameramen/women, and lastly God as a witness, or else I will just throw it back in the surf.

Better men than Al Mcreynolds have folded from the pressure of falsely claiming something to be his and wasn't.

And I wish Stezko's fish was the IGFA record holder, because he is a local boy.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Question: If you charter a boat and Captain and you reel in a whopper of a fish, maybe even a record, is it really your ctach or the Captains?

Consider this while forming your opinion.

It's his boat.
It's his rod, reel, line and lure.
He put the boat on the spot, his mate let out the rod and lure to the prescribed length.
The rod sat in the holder until the fish hit.
You reeled it in.

Yours or really his?

Kind of a catch 22 here.It doesn't really matter about the gear, whenever you fish on someones boat and your on their spot I think you realize the fish was safe without the captains help putting you on the fish.Safe to say we have all been turned on to spots and caught someone else's fish. But you still CAUGHT the fish,regardless of the circumstances.

Another question. You are a charter captain;your sport is onto the floor so you dislodge the rig. Floor ends up being a big bass so you reel in the fish. Said fish gets weighed in for a season long tournament by the cap. Is it really the cap's fish?

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

I hope I never catch an eighty pounder with only my brother or my friend with me. I am going to make sure I have my attornies, best boy, gaffer, two cameramen/women, and lastly God as a witness, or else I will just throw it back in the surf.

Better men than Al Mcreynolds have folded from the pressure of falsely claiming something to be his and wasn't.

And I wish Stezko's fish was the IGFA record holder, because he is a local boy.

That is some funny stuff Swimmer .

Very interesting....................the range of opinions on this "Record" seem to run the gambit.
I do recognize the McReynolds striper as the current IGFA top fish, however it does seem tainted and that is why the questionable status is so prevalent in a good portion of the respondent posts. As I stated earlier, had he swum her in unassisted ~to a man~ he would be hailed as the undisputed World Record Holder and be held in high esteem by us all.

I also believe that a Record of such high regard will be restored to its greatness within the next season or two, and hopefully she'll be landed within the shores of New England. Seems to be the Land of the Champeenships, lately..............why not the Land of the LAHHHHHGEST Large ??

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Question: If you charter a boat and Captain and you reel in a whopper of a fish, maybe even a record, is it really your ctach or the Captains?

Consider this while forming your opinion.

It's his boat.
It's his rod, reel, line and lure.
He put the boat on the spot, his mate let out the rod and lure to the prescribed length.
The rod sat in the holder until the fish hit.
You reeled it in.

Yours or really his?

The main variable in your premise that would allow one to claim this catch lies within the first two highlights. You charter the boat, you are paying the good Capt for his services and his knowledge, expertise, gear, and all the hands on deck. Not my idea of sport fishing and to me it is more like buying a feesh than learning a spot and putting in the moons and 1,000's of casts from the rocks. Still yet, the Capt has set his price and unless he is any good at providing his service, he won't be a Capt for very long. So I would say that it is the client's fish, bought and paid for.

It's kinda like the owner of a Restaraunt seeking the services of a Chef. He knows what type of cuisine he wants to serve (target Trophy stripers), he knows where he wants to serve or locate his cafe (along NE Striper Coast), and he knows how to cook (fishes alot) and how to eat (fishes a little) and will claim the menu and the glory everytime. His restaraunt, his equipment; the chef's knowledge, expertise, knives, and staff required to provide the food service (Captaining of a charter) that he is being paid quite handsomely for. The restrateur's food or the Chef's? Without the restrateur there is no Chef, or at least none at that time and at that place. Isn't a charter much the same?

Within the second highlight it is important to note that some folk are less involved than others. I don't think that Hemingway, or Teddy Baseball, or Charlie Cinto had to have their hands held.......................and surely they've boated their share of trophies. Basically, if it's yer butt in the seat and your mitts on the crank of the reel when that World Record hits the fiberglass, then that's your feesh ~imho.

This is good stuff, gentlemen and it's a great way to pass the wintry mixes........................
While the Patriots continue their March into the Greatest Dynasty of All Time, we're livin' the Dream, boyz, livin' the sportsman's Dream of a lifetime!!! And I don't see things changing anytime soon, especially with the Cheltics doin' their thang to boot !!!

[Skitterpop]

What was this thread about

[ridler72]

Plugging with a black over silver Rebel he hooked THE fish and fought it for one hour and forty minutes before it was beaten and he and Pat could pull it clear of the rocks.

1. From the time that a fish strikes or takes a bait or lure, the angler must hook, fight, and land or boat the fish without the aid of any other person, except as provided in these regulations

Attack the IGFA not the angler.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Those are the rules as stated today...what were the rules as stated in 1982 when the fish was caught? IGFA only started maintaining the records as of 1978 so the rules and regs could have been different back then.

In most sports the rules and regs are ever evolving so there may not have been anything in the rules back then that spoke to somebody helping you land the fish.

Originally Posted by ridler72

Plugging with a black over silver Rebel he hooked THE fish and fought it for one hour and forty minutes before it was beaten and he and Pat could pull it clear of the rocks.

1. From the time that a fish strikes or takes a bait or lure, the angler must hook, fight, and land or boat the fish without the aid of any other person, except as provided in these regulations

Attack the IGFA not the angler.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Frankly who gives a %$%$%$%$? They are both great fish. One is recognized as the record, one isn't. Unless proof exists, Reynolds is the record holder; unless he was using steroids in the rebel and hgh to lube his Penn reel; then he gets an * next to his name.

[MikeToole]

I thought this statement would end the discussion because it is so right. Fishing from a boat is nothing but assisted fishing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against boat fisherman holding records just based on weight. But when you look at what people say Albert did, it is nothing compared to what a boat does for you. It cast for you, helps you around lobster pots when you have a fish on, keeps you out of the surf, and allows you to use 50# line. Now if Alberts buddy had swum out with the plug to get it in the right spot and than put Albert on his back once the fish was hooked and swam out past the surf. Then I might question if Albert had an unfair assist. Lets get real here.

Albert's only real problem was a bunch of pain in the butt New Jersey guys who didn't think he was a good enough person to have caught the record fish. Heaven forbid that someone might compare them to Albert or even worse, say Albert is better than them. Before you jump on me for picking on NJ guys, I grew up in fishing in NJ in the 60s and still fish there with friends. Great guys but man can they be petty.

Originally Posted by Mike P

Rochetta caught his using 50# line from a boat.

Either put up the proof that it wasn't a legit catch, or pour yourself a hot steaming cup of STFU.

[animal]

Dawg,you like to talk $^%# about boat fishing,yet,here,you claim Rochetta's fish is better?
I fish bass from shore primarily.However,I catch my best fish from boats.It's a lot more convenient,than skishing THE RACE.

Although we've had our differances,I feel obligated to answer for boatmen.If you think a boat will up your odds of large,you are correct.If you think buying a boat is going to make you a killer,you're dead wrong!We have a GPS,and a Fishfinder,however,if you don't know what you're doing,it doesn't matter,you're going home fishless!
Being able to see a school of bass under the boat,is nothing,if you can't make 'em eat,and if you think you can drop an unweighted slug-go,to fish,47 feet below you in a 19 knot rip,you're wrong again.
I'm not trying to bait you,here,I'm trying to help you.I think,in the spirit of Christmas,we should call a truce.Merry X-mas Dawg.

[BassDawg]

Thanks Bob,

Truce accepted and right back at ya with a HOHOHO and a Merry Christmas to you and your family !

I have no problem with boat fishing as I've landed my share of grouper, tarpon, shark, barracuda, king macks, and red snapper from the fibreglass. I've only stated in the past that with regards to morone saxatilis, I believe that surfcasting and "boatcasting" are two completely different styles of fishing for our beloved prey.

And while we all agree that a striper is a stiper is a striper, whether she be boat or surf caught, my personal preference is to hop the rocks, wade the flats, seek the foam from terra firma because I believe that it adds a more desirable degree of difficulty and levels the playing field, somewhat, between the hunter and the hunted..........................

No right or wrong here, just different. I would be thrilled out of my deck shoes to boat a Trophy Striper from Area A, but in my "limited moons" opinion it would be far more rewarding and a greater achievement to land her from the rocks. Especially, my first fiddy !!

[westhavendave]

Did the good Captain have a first mate assist him in landing the boat caught fish? If so, this whole argument is moot. Both anglers had assistance. And by the way this argument was settled already on these very forums in 2004, don't you remember FWW?

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