Any Doubters???

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by BigFish

In my opinion! Same with Parcells......can't win the big ones!

Parcells can't win the big ones--are you on drugs?

Are you forgetting the two he won with the Giants, and the one he kept a close and competitive game for your guys, during a stretch when the AFC teams were getting their heads handed to them on a platter--by halftime?

He won his two with a better than average QB, but one who'll never be listed on anyone's top 10 list, in Simms, and a career journeyman named Hoestettler. In the second one, he went in as an underdog and came up with a game plan the controlled the clock and kept Kelly and company on the sideline.

I hate the guy but you have to give him credit where it's due. And don't feed me that crap about how it was really Belichick who was the genius pulling his strings on the sideline--hell, I could have been a defensive coordinator on a team that had LT, Harry Carson, Carl Banks, Jimmy Burt and Leonard Hamilton starting for me.

There have been a lot of great coaches who won Super Bowls with great QBs. Joe Gibbs won them with Doug Williams and Mark Rypien at QB.

And any list of great coaches without Hank Stram on it is an incomplete one.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Parcells can't win the big ones--are you on drugs?

Are you forgetting the two he won with the Giants, and the one he kept a close and competitive game for your guys, during a stretch when the AFC teams were getting their heads handed to them on a platter--by halftime?

He won his two with a better than average QB, but one who'll never be listed on anyone's top 10 list, in Simms, and a career journeyman named Hoestettler. In the second one, he went in as an underdog and came up with a game plan the controlled the clock and kept Kelly and company on the sideline.

I hate the guy but you have to give him credit where it's due. And don't feed me that crap about how it was really Belichick who was the genius pulling his strings on the sideline--hell, I could have been a defensive coordinator on a team that had LT, Harry Carson, Carl Banks, Jimmy Burt and Leonard Hamilton starting for me.

There have been a lot of great coaches who won Super Bowls with great QBs. Joe Gibbs won them with Doug Williams and Mark Rypien at QB.

And any list of great coaches without Hank Stram on it is an incomplete one.

Hey Mike
If you ask me the 86 Giants team is one of the best i've ever seen !
I sat in the L A coliseum and watched them play the Raiders that year.
A close tough game!
I can still see Marc Bavaro carrying 1/2 the Raiders defence on his back and he wouldn't go down !
They the killed everyone in their way (including the 49ers) in the playoffs!

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Hey Mike
If you ask me the 86 Giants team is one of the best i've ever seen !
I sat in the L A coliseum and watched them play the Raiders that year.
A close tough game!
I can still see Marc Bavaro carrying 1/2 the Raiders defence on his back and he wouldn't go down !
They the killed everyone in their way (including the 49ers) in the playoffs!

Best set of linebackers ever assembled. Carson finally got the recognition he deserved from Canton. If he played in a standard 4-3 instead of a 3-4 he would have made it years ago--but 3-4 inside backers don't get the same respect as a MLB in a 4-3.

[Raider Ronnie]

I don't think Larry factors a five year 36-44 record with the Browns when determining the best coach ever !!!
Larry,
When are you going to listen.
IT'S A TEAM GAME !!!
LOTS of things have to fall into place for the team to win!
To me the greatest coach is one who changed the way the game is played!
Like Sid Gillman
Paul Brown
Lombardi
Bill Walsh
Also in this list I would include Buddy Ryan but as an assistant coach (defensive coordinator)

[wrikerjr]

i enjoyed this thread very much. Thanks for the fresh perspective guys and happy new year.