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		|  02-07-2008, 09:33 AM | #1 |  
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				 | see my solution would be, every parent, stops smoking ciggarettes, stops renting dvds, stops buying lunch and collects alluminum cans in order to save $5000 for their children. Its a unique idea called "sacrifice". |  
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		|  02-07-2008, 10:43 AM | #2 |  
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					Originally Posted by RIJIMMY  see my solution would be, every parent, stops smoking ciggarettes, stops renting dvds, stops buying lunch and collects alluminum cans in order to save $5000 for their children. Its a unique idea called "sacrifice". |  
and a republicans view of sacrifice would be wasting american lives to fuel corperate profits.   |  
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		|  02-07-2008, 11:32 AM | #3 |  
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					Originally Posted by Nebe  and a republicans view of sacrifice would be wasting american lives to fuel corperate profits.   |  I think a better question might be...I was told that the Iraq war would cost about $150 Billion by those who were leading the charge. We now see it's real cost over $1 Trillion, largely due to mistakes and strategic error...caused not simply by unforseen challenges, but rather largely from judgement skewed by the radically liberal idiological disillusion of neoconservatisim.
 
In this case isn't President Bush taking MY MONEY  to persue his radically liberal vision to restructure the Middle East via something so objectionable to the public as (not preemptive but) "preventative war"?
 
How is this any different than Hillary taking your money for healthcare or education.
 
Discuss.
 
-spence
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		|  02-07-2008, 11:52 AM | #4 |  
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					Originally Posted by spence  I think a better question might be...I was told that the Iraq war would cost about $150 Billion by those who were leading the charge. We now see it's real cost over $1 Trillion, largely due to mistakes and strategic error...caused not simply by unforseen challenges, but rather largely from judgement skewed by the radically liberal idiological disillusion of neoconservatisim.
 In this case isn't President Bush taking MY MONEY  to persue his radically liberal vision to restructure the Middle East via something so objectionable to the public as (not preemptive but) "preventative war"?
 
 How is this any different than Hillary taking your money for healthcare or education.
 
 Discuss.
 
 -spence
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		|  02-07-2008, 12:18 PM | #5 |  
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					Originally Posted by RIJIMMY  I agree. I dont want him doing that either. |    
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		|  02-08-2008, 07:21 PM | #6 |  
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				 | PaulS- If you give more of your hard earned cash and time to local charities than I do hats off to you. The only problem is I am not talking about a charity. If you think that the IRS and Hillary are entitled to more money then write the check. Stop spending all your time and effort trying to explain why somebody else should have to pay and not you it is really getting old. It looks like the tax rebate will be voted on today, if passed you could always return your check when it comes in May it might help with your guilty conscious. If you return that check maybe Hillary will get her museum? |  
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		|  02-08-2008, 10:10 PM | #7 |  
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 Why do you have such a visceral issue with a Democrat asking for more of your money to spend, when 50% of the Government is Republicans already taking your money and spending it in wasteful ways?
 
 It would seem as though the anger could be spread around.
 
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		|  02-11-2008, 08:17 AM | #8 |  
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					Originally Posted by 179  PaulS- If you give more of your hard earned cash and time to local charities than I do hats off to you. The only problem is I am not talking about a charity. If you think that the IRS and Hillary are entitled to more money then write the check. Stop spending all your time and effort trying to explain why somebody else should have to pay and not you it is really getting old. It looks like the tax rebate will be voted on today, if passed you could always return your check when it comes in May it might help with your guilty conscious. If you return that check maybe Hillary will get her museum? |   |  
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		|  02-07-2008, 11:27 AM | #9 |  
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					Originally Posted by RIJIMMY  see my solution would be, every parent, stops smoking ciggarettes, stops renting dvds, stops buying lunch and collects alluminum cans in order to save $5000 for their children. Its a unique idea called "sacrifice". |  Easy to say for someone with even the slightest means. How many kids are out there right now with parents living paycheck to paycheck?
 
Certainly individual responsibility is important, but the reality is that our society is a balance between the individual and the group. A good question would be if States could deal with the broader educational issues on their own assuming the indivudual were more responsible? You might still have too much variation considering how the wealth and education is dispersed in our country. Perhaps, some Federal action would be for the better of the group, and our long term benefit as a result. At least the issues should be dealt with in real terms, and not just plastered with talking points meant for snippets on the nightly news.
 
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