Learning on your own? anyone do this anymore?

[MarshCappa]

I have to admit I refrain from asking too many questions on here because of what you mentioned in your post. But on the flip side i have learned a ton from members here and practiced the feedback in the field with mixed results. I am a intermediate at best and I like to get my info from this board but always ask questions at the B&T shop.

[chris L]

I like raspberries blackberries are not good for any thing .

I prefer to hunt and peck myself . its more fun that way .

I was going to ask all I could saturday night . but I forgot

good answer saltheart

[eelman]

I dont mind answering a good question...But some are just plain nonsense...Example:

"Whats the best surf rod"

"Whats the best plug"

"Whats the best line"

"is braid better than mono"

"What 4 plugs are the best to have in your bag on a full moon"

'' Which is better plugs or bait"

"is spinning better than coventional"

"Boat vs Surf, which is the real fisherman"

The list goes on...Not one of these Questions has a "right" answer not one...yet all of them have been asked numerous times..I guess its the way it is but where has common sense gone..

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I dont mind answering a good question...But some are just plain nonsense...Example:

"Whats the best surf rod"
The one I built myself,

"Whats the best plug"
The one that works for me.

"Whats the best line"
The kind I'm used to using.

"is braid better than mono"
I use both, when and how depends....

"What 4 plugs are the best to have in your bag on a full moon"
The 4 that work for me..

'' Which is better plugs or bait"
Bait..Hands down..Because I like it..

"is spinning better than coventional"
Spin..Unless I feel like untangling a birds nest,,LOL

"Boat vs Surf, which is the real fisherman"
Boat..My body is too beat up for the surf...

The list goes on...Not one of these Questions has a "right" answer not one...yet all of them have been asked numerous times..I guess its the way it is but where has common sense gone..

[OffTheHook13]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I dont mind answering a good question...But some are just plain nonsense...Example:

"Whats the best surf rod"

"Whats the best plug"

"Whats the best line"

"is braid better than mono"

"What 4 plugs are the best to have in your bag on a full moon"

'' Which is better plugs or bait"

"is spinning better than coventional"

"Boat vs Surf, which is the real fisherman"

The list goes on...Not one of these Questions has a "right" answer not one...yet all of them have been asked numerous times..I guess its the way it is but where has common sense gone..

Well, what are your answers?

[eelman]

Originally Posted by OffTheHook13

Well, what are your answers?

Read the bottom...As I said there are no answers and certainly none that are right...The answer is find out for yourself

My answers speak for themselves with the consitantcy I have had in course of my fishing life so far..I know one thing, if I see a guy with alot of fish and consistancy, I would tend to listen to what ever advice he gives and use it for my overall planning in how I am going to aporoach things...Still however, like I said what works for one does not work for others...

[fishaholic18]

I think Billy's point is...people too often look for the easy way out via the internet. I think it kind of puts a hair accross the guys azz that has done the years of leg work and trial and error on his own to figure out what works for them. Way too many guys are looking for short cuts nowadays. Is there a right way??? Not really..Get out there and try it for yourself, it's much more satisfying...your way may work better for you than the other guys way.. Try something..If it works for you then stick with it.. If it doesn't..change it up till you find what works for you.. Bottom line is..Guys need to stop looking for all the answers via the net..you probably will never find the right answer..just opinions on what has worked for others.. Do you wipe your azz like everyone else..Who knows, but I know my way works..Most of the time..

[eelman]

I also see guys kissing the azz of who ever is the hot hand at the time, its like alliances...Another words, they fish with anyone and everyone who will take them to the spot of the week without having done anything on there own..Then all of a sudden there experts after fishing a couple years because they had a decent week or two over the season...They all want the same thing...The same guys who were humble the year before suddenly bump into a few fish and now they know it all without ever really having learned anything.

Take me to the fish even though I know nothing, show me where to stand, point to the rock to cast two and promise me a fish.Its the way its done now.

All I am saying is man, show some fortatude and learn something without having your hand held..

[OffTheHook13]

Not everyone is an expert.

Not everyone has an unlimited amount of time to test and try different gear, locations etc.

Maybe the guy that asks about the type of swivel or plug to use is a beginner with no knowledge of this sport whatsoever.

Maybe he/she asks because he/she hasn't had the chance to learn yet or has just joined this, or any other fishing site for that matter.

The fact is, noone should be made to feel that any question is stupid.

IT'S NOT!

Go ahead and ask away.

That's what the "EXPERTS" are here for.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by OffTheHook13

Not everyone is an expert.

Not everyone has an unlimited amount of time to test and try different gear, locations etc.

Maybe the guy that asks about the type of swivel or plug to use is a beginner with no knowledge of this sport whatsoever.

Maybe he/she asks because he/she hasn't had the chance to learn yet or has just joined this, or any other fishing site for that matter.

The fact is, noone should be made to feel that any question is stupid.

IT'S NOT!

Go ahead and ask away.

That's what the "EXPERTS" are here for.

Not sure there are any "So called" experts...It's fishing..not brain surgery..Lets get real here..

I think most new guys get more confused than anything else due to all the diff. opinions.

[Clammer]

WELL

I see your feeling better ::

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Clammer

WELL

I see your feeling better ::

Holy ^%$#@! he's alive..WHAT"S UP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BUD:wav e:

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Clammer

WELL

I see your feeling better ::

Ah yes mike...A little kick in the pants post that gets "good" chatter going....
Its the meds

[bart]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&- i'm sure you learned everything you know on your own. Jim white, Tim Coleman.....they were of no help to you.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by bart

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&- i'm sure you learned everything you know on your own. Jim white, Tim Coleman.....they were of no help to you.

Acually the answer is NO...and you can ask those guys...Its why I have gained there respect over the years, I figured out things for myself... There friends and people I fish with that I met sometime ago...Sure we talked about fishing and share ideas etc...but none of them held my hand and showed me the ropes...Your wrong on that count...Many of those guys in days past were making money from selling fish, they were not about to let others cash in by handing out free advice

[fishbones]

I learned from fishing with my father and grandfather. I certainly didn't learn to be a "sharpie", but I learned enough to go out and become addicted to fishing and have a lot of fun. I also learned by going into the local B&T's when I was old enough to drive myself around. When I joined this site, I was amazed at the knowledge a lot of the people here had, and I lurked and paid attention. I took information and used some of it and disregarded a lot of it. What I have learned most here is that a lot of people will be very helpful and gladly share things...especially if you contribute to the community here. I also learned that most people have opinions about what gear to use and what bait/lures to use. And, we all know what opinions are like. The best advice that I have picked up here though is to just go out and fish as much as you can. The internet is great and has tons of information, but there is no substitute for being out there experiencing it.

I understand people asking questions, but it's too often that someone signs up here and then starts threads about every aspect of striper fishing "what, when, where, why and how" under the sun. The search feature here will probably give most people enough information to keep them busy until the spring migration. Too many people want instant gratification and don't want to do the research or work themselves.

Maybe John R could set up the site so that new members could only start a thread if they had a certain # of posts under their belt? That way, they could really become familiar with the site and could contribute to threads started by other members.

[Clogston29]

To me, the problem isn’t the asking of questions, its that a lot of people want there to be only one answer to their question and they want it to be easy and something that they don’t have to think about and experiment with.

Example: What’s the best lure for stripers? They want someone to tell them what it is and how to fish it and they want that to work. They don’t want to hear that it depends on conditions, structure, current, etc. They don’t want to accept that it’s an ever changing thing even in a given spot and that they’re going to have to spend tons time and experience lots of failure in order to figure it out.

Questions and opinions (stress that opinions, not facts) offered in response to questions are great if they are taken, thought about, applied, evaluated, tweaked, applied, evaluated, etc.

IMHO the problem isn’t people asking questions, its people wanting it to be easy. Its not, and that has to be accepted and enjoyed or you should just pick something else to do with your time.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I learned from fishing with my father and grandfather. I certainly didn't learn to be a "sharpie", but I learned enough to go out and become addicted to fishing and have a lot of fun. I also learned by going into the local B&T's when I was old enough to drive myself around. When I joined this site, I was amazed at the knowledge a lot of the people here had, and I lurked and paid attention. I took information and used some of it and disregarded a lot of it. What I have learned most here is that a lot of people will be very helpful and gladly share things...especially if you contribute to the community here. I also learned that most people have opinions about what gear to use and what bait/lures to use. And, we all know what opinions are like. The best advice that I have picked up here though is to just go out and fish as much as you can. The internet is great and has tons of information, but there is no substitute for being out there experiencing it.

I understand people asking questions, but it's too often that someone signs up here and then starts threads about every aspect of striper fishing "what, when, where, why and how" under the sun. The search feature here will probably give most people enough information to keep them busy until the spring migration. Too many people want instant gratification and don't want to do the research or work themselves.

Maybe John R could set up the site so that new members could only start a thread if they had a certain # of posts under their belt? That way, they could really become familiar with the site and could contribute to threads started by other members.

Awesome post and said better than me! Exactly The everything under the sun stuff should be on another board and made a sticky or something, so you dont have to answer the same question 10 billion times...But good post

[chris L]

hep me hep me hep me . Im on fire . hep me hep me

I only say stupid things never ask too many questions smart or stupid . Im not stupid Im with stupid .

now back to saturday night .
how many beers did I have ?

[Flaptail]

I found out that spinning rod and reel combos make you grow breasts and that if your 6'-6" tall the real dilemma when buying waders is not if they are breathable or neoprene but where the crotch of the wader is as opposed to your own that make them the best for you and that women from Brockton, when they turn 30 grow hairy arms, mustaches and their butts blow up twice the original size.

Where else would you be able to go to get valuable info like that?

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

I found out that spinning rod and reel combos make you grow breasts

Really..

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

Really..

Well I heard it on this site, so it's got to be true, maybe.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Well I heard it on this site, so it's got to be true, maybe.

It must be then..I'll have to keep an eye on them..

[chris L]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

that women from Brockton, when they turn 30 grow hairy arms, mustaches and their butts blow up twice the original size.

Where else would you be able to go to get valuable info like that?

I hate when their butts blow up . gets really shi t ty really fast .

cough cough choke choke . ah there it is

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

I found out that spinning rod and reel combos make you grow breasts and that if your 6'-6" tall the real dilemma when buying waders is not if they are breathable or neoprene but where the crotch of the wader is as opposed to your own that make them the best for you and that women from Brockton, when they turn 30 grow hairy arms, mustaches and their butts blow up twice the original size.

Where else would you be able to go to get valuable info like that?

I've seen both of these happen

[spinncognito]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, why is it you come here every day if not partly for the questions? Have you not answered so many yourself? To call them "stupid" now makes you seem stupid for ever answering any. But you are not stupid by any stretch and your shared fishing knowlege is appreciated by countless individuals who have learned from what you have posted. I have never caught a fish while sitting at my keyboard but I have taken bits and pieces of the info found here with me to the water and yes, it has helped me.
This may not be the new B&T but most guys who own/operate a B&T also have product available online and get customers from forums like this.

spin

[eelman]

Originally Posted by spinncognito

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, why is it you come here every day if not partly for the questions? Have you not answered so many yourself? To call them "stupid" now makes you seem stupid for ever answering any. But you are not stupid by any stretch and your shared fishing knowlege is appreciated by countless individuals who have learned from what you have posted. I have never caught a fish while sitting at my keyboard but I have taken bits and pieces of the info found here with me to the water and yes, it has helped me.
This may not be the new B&T but most guys who own/operate a B&T also have product available online and get customers from forums like this.

spin

I answer what I feel like answering at the time and depending on mood...I come here because its fun to come here and because I have been a member since day one when John started it, I have helped many guys and will continue to do so...I just made a statement asking a question of my own

Some posts I just have fun with, others I take serious, but I have helped people...The problem is they dont listen and continue to ask the same thing over and over and over....looking for a holy grail that cannot be found without personal determination and old hard work. Some questions are asked over and over in ways just to get the answer they are looking for to justify whatever is is there looking for...

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I just made a statement asking a question of my own

You ask stupid questions...

[eelman]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

You ask stupid questions...

I guess your right, it was stupid

[eelman]

What the internet is good for I guess is the closeness you guys have developed, its like a big boys club, trips together friendships etc..a community of like minded people who have struck up long and lasting meaningfull friendships...Other than that as for the advice part, I am not so sure it works because of the overwhelming difference of opinions.As I have said, I certainly have mine.

I skirt around the edges, never wanting to be to close, but I have a made a couple of friends online from this site which I am thankfull for..It was never about learning anything for me...And I am very funny when it comes to who I will fish or socialize with, just the way I am...Every gets something different from things...I enjoy coming on here for the lighthearted stuff more than the serious stuff..