Debate number two

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

No its not, its a judgement call. Obama should have shown better judgement. He is a politician and must understand the implications of his actions and associations.

Then explain to me, if this is so important, why Ayers wasn't seen as a person of great contraversy within the city of Chigago up until now?

He seems to actually have been quite respected in the community for his work and dedication.

Jimmy, you're being punked by a Karl Rove strawman.

-spence

[Nebe]

this whole country has been punked for the last 8 years spence.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Then explain to me, if this is so important, why Ayers wasn't seen as a person of great contraversy within the city of Chigago up until now?

He seems to actually have been quite respected in the community for his work and dedication.

Jimmy, you're being punked by a Karl Rove strawman.

-spence

Come on, he is a topic becuase of Obamas association with hi. And I punk for no one, I make up my own opinions on the importance of the association.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Come on, he is a topic becuase of Obamas association with hi. And I punk for no one, I make up my own opinions on the importance of the association.

Up until they GOP decided they could use him to smear Obama, he wasn't seen as a contraversial figure in Chicago...he was a pretty mainstream educational professor.

Do you think parents were letting their kids be educated by a terrorist?

What a joke.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

...he was a pretty mainstream educational professor.


-spence

Geez, a guy who was tied to trying to bomb our own country,
and has said he wasn't sorry and wished he had done more becomes a MAINSTREAM educational professor?

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Geez, a guy who was tied to trying to bomb our own country,
and has said he wasn't sorry and wished he had done more becomes a MAINSTREAM educational professor?

Yes, he's currently a "Distinguished Professor" at the University of Chicago and seen as an expert on many social issues. Sounds pretty mainstream to me.

-spence

[spence]

Here's a list of the books he's authored...There's some really radical stuff here we should all be afraid of

Education: An American Problem. Bill Ayers, Radical Education Project, 1968, ASIN B0007H31HU

Hot town: Summer in the City: I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more, Bill Ayers, Students for a Democratic Society, 1969, ASIN B0007I3CMI

Good Preschool Teachers, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1989, ISBN 978-0807729472

The Good Preschool Teacher: Six Teachers Reflect on Their Lives,

William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1989, ISBN 978-0807729465
To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1993, ISBN 978-0807732625*

To Become a Teacher: Making a Difference in Children's Lives, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1995, ISBN 978-0807734551

City Kids, City Teachers: Reports from the Front Row, William Ayers (Editor) and Patricia Ford (Editor), New Press, 1996, ISBN 978-1565843288

A Kind and Just Parent, William Ayers, Beacon Press, 1997, ISBN 978-0807044025

A Light in Dark Times: Maxine Greene and the Unfinished Conversation, Maxine Greene (Editor), William Ayers (Editor), Janet

L. Miller (Editor), Teachers College Press, 1998, ISBN 978-0807737217

Teaching for Social Justice: A Democracy and Education Reader, William Ayers (Editor), Jean Ann Hunt (Editor), Therese Quinn (Editor), 1998, ISBN 978-1565844209

Teacher Lore: Learning from Our Own Experience, William H. Schubert (Editor) and William C. Ayers (Editor), Educator's International Press, 1999, ISBN 978-1891928031

Teaching from the Inside Out: The Eight-Fold Path to Creative Teaching and Living, Sue Sommers (Author), William Ayers (Foreword), Authority Press, 2000, ISBN 978-1929059027

A Simple Justice: The Challenge of Small Schools, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2000, ISBN 978-0807739631

Zero Tolerance: Resisting the Drive for Punishment, William Ayers (Editor), Rick Ayers (Editor), Bernardine Dohrn (Editor), Jesse L.

Jackson (Author), New Press, 2001, ISBN 978-1565846661

A School of Our Own: Parents, Power, and Community at the East

Harlem Block Schools, Tom Roderick (Author), William Ayers (Author), Teachers College Press, 2001, ISBN 978-0807741573

Refusing Racism: White Allies and the Struggle for Civil Rights, Cynthia Stokes Brown (Author), William Ayers (Editor), Therese Quinn (Editor), Teachers College Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0807742044

On the Side of the Child: Summerhill Revisited, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2003, ISBN 978-0807744000

Fugitive Days: A Memoir, Bill Ayers, Beacon Press, 2001, ISBN 0807071242 (Penguin, 2003, ISBN 978-0142002551)

Teaching the Personal and the Political: Essays on Hope and Justice, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2004, ISBN 978-0807744611

Teaching Toward Freedom: Moral Commitment and Ethical Action in the Classroom, William Ayers, Beacon Press, 2004, ISBN 978-080703269-5

Sing a Battle Song: The Revolutionary Poetry, Statements, and Communiques of the Weather Underground 1970-1974, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, and Jeff Jones, Seven Stories Press, 2006, ISBN 978-1583227268

Handbook of Social Justice in Education, William C. Ayers, Routledge, June 2008, ISBN 978-0805859270

City Kids, City Schools: More Reports from the Front Row, Ruby Dee (Foreword), Jeff Chang (Afterword), William Ayers (Editor), Billings,
Gloria Ladson (Editor), Gregory Michie (Editor), Pedro Noguera (Editor), New Press, August 2008, ISBN 978-1595583383

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Here's a list of the books he's authored...There's some really radical stuff here we should all be afraid of

Education: An American Problem. Bill Ayers, Radical Education Project, 1968, ASIN B0007H31HU

Hot town: Summer in the City: I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more, Bill Ayers, Students for a Democratic Society, 1969, ASIN B0007I3CMI

Good Preschool Teachers, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1989, ISBN 978-0807729472

The Good Preschool Teacher: Six Teachers Reflect on Their Lives,

William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1989, ISBN 978-0807729465
To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1993, ISBN 978-0807732625*

To Become a Teacher: Making a Difference in Children's Lives, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 1995, ISBN 978-0807734551

City Kids, City Teachers: Reports from the Front Row, William Ayers (Editor) and Patricia Ford (Editor), New Press, 1996, ISBN 978-1565843288

A Kind and Just Parent, William Ayers, Beacon Press, 1997, ISBN 978-0807044025

A Light in Dark Times: Maxine Greene and the Unfinished Conversation, Maxine Greene (Editor), William Ayers (Editor), Janet

L. Miller (Editor), Teachers College Press, 1998, ISBN 978-0807737217

Teaching for Social Justice: A Democracy and Education Reader, William Ayers (Editor), Jean Ann Hunt (Editor), Therese Quinn (Editor), 1998, ISBN 978-1565844209

Teacher Lore: Learning from Our Own Experience, William H. Schubert (Editor) and William C. Ayers (Editor), Educator's International Press, 1999, ISBN 978-1891928031

Teaching from the Inside Out: The Eight-Fold Path to Creative Teaching and Living, Sue Sommers (Author), William Ayers (Foreword), Authority Press, 2000, ISBN 978-1929059027

A Simple Justice: The Challenge of Small Schools, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2000, ISBN 978-0807739631

Zero Tolerance: Resisting the Drive for Punishment, William Ayers (Editor), Rick Ayers (Editor), Bernardine Dohrn (Editor), Jesse L.

Jackson (Author), New Press, 2001, ISBN 978-1565846661

A School of Our Own: Parents, Power, and Community at the East

Harlem Block Schools, Tom Roderick (Author), William Ayers (Author), Teachers College Press, 2001, ISBN 978-0807741573

Refusing Racism: White Allies and the Struggle for Civil Rights, Cynthia Stokes Brown (Author), William Ayers (Editor), Therese Quinn (Editor), Teachers College Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0807742044

On the Side of the Child: Summerhill Revisited, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2003, ISBN 978-0807744000

Fugitive Days: A Memoir, Bill Ayers, Beacon Press, 2001, ISBN 0807071242 (Penguin, 2003, ISBN 978-0142002551)

Teaching the Personal and the Political: Essays on Hope and Justice, William Ayers, Teachers College Press, 2004, ISBN 978-0807744611

Teaching Toward Freedom: Moral Commitment and Ethical Action in the Classroom, William Ayers, Beacon Press, 2004, ISBN 978-080703269-5

Sing a Battle Song: The Revolutionary Poetry, Statements, and Communiques of the Weather Underground 1970-1974, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, and Jeff Jones, Seven Stories Press, 2006, ISBN 978-1583227268

Handbook of Social Justice in Education, William C. Ayers, Routledge, June 2008, ISBN 978-0805859270

City Kids, City Schools: More Reports from the Front Row, Ruby Dee (Foreword), Jeff Chang (Afterword), William Ayers (Editor), Billings,
Gloria Ladson (Editor), Gregory Michie (Editor), Pedro Noguera (Editor), New Press, August 2008, ISBN 978-1595583383

Who knows what's in those books?
I'd have to read them all for myself before calling him a mainstream educational professsor.

They, like any books ,could of been written by an author who believes, "if you can't convice them with facts, smother them with

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Yes, he's currently a "Distinguished Professor" at the University of Chicago and seen as an expert on many social issues. Sounds pretty mainstream to me.

-spence

there is also a collection of professors at major universities who believe Bush and Cheney planned 9/11. I heard them on a talk show a few years ago. They are actively teaching today. So Spence, using employment at a university as a qualification for mainstream doesnt fly with me.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

there is also a collection of professors at major universities who believe Bush and Cheney planned 9/11. I heard them on a talk show a few years ago. They are actively teaching today. So Spence, using employment at a university as a qualification for mainstream doesnt fly with me.

If you read my post you'd know that that wasn't the single basis for my assertion. Nice try...

And Justplugit, it's not about smothering with BS. Rather the product of his work is a good indication as to his state of mind. I see a person focused on teaching and social issues, not a rabbid terrorist.

-spence