Surf Spin Rod for Braided Line

[ProfessorM]

I'm so confused

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

I'm so confused

The old system cones line down to the smallest guide which is at the at the tip.

The "new concept" cones the line down to an intersect point 1/2-2/3 way out the blank, then runs it to the tip with small guides (they can be really tiny if you want)

The "low rider" skips the gathering guide, uses long distance and braid's lack of memory to cone the line down to a small first guide well out the rod (I think Fuji advises no closer than 47"). Low rider guides (LCSG's) also employ a more elongated shape to reduce the risk of guide looping. IF you can get the guides positioned right and avoid line slap (not a small IF) the lowrider supposedly gives you the best distance.......but leaves a long section of unsupported blank (and sharp line angle under load) between the reel and first guide. Whether that matters or not, I don't know. Reelin Rod can probably tell you.

[scottw]

I thought I went to the Fuji site for the "concept' layout but you might be right , it may be more of a lowrider layout, I'll check my notes(yep, just found it " Basically, this is the Fuji Low Rider guide layout using regular MN guides", .... as mentioned above the lowrider system seemed more geared toward longer rods(12') for distance casting...I was under the impression that the BMNAG's and Concept guides are similar shape or design guides ? I didn't follow the layout exactly as I'd also found and extensive post(mentioned above) describing this type of setup and then adjusted with static deflection tests, laid them out and then fished them taped on for several weeks until I was happy with the way it fished and then twirled it up...sounds crazy but waterproof electrical tape stands up pretty well.....this layout seems to be extremely friendly to braid ....

Numbskull, your descriptions are pretty techincal...aren't the "Concepts" similar? smaller guides set closer to the blank which is possible because the line (braid) is under control unlike mono......

never mind, just reread you posts a few times, that's great stuff!

[SeaWolf]

blcag's are fuji lowrider guides with an alconite ring. they are also consider concept by fuji, at least how they are categorized. mnsg are concept guides using a sic ring and bmnag are the same, but use a alconite ring. there are a lot of "concept" guides out now from double foot to single foot. fuji is slowly discontinuing some of the older guide setups, such as the pst tips.

the fuji concept principle is about using a collector guide almost half the size as traditionally used and choke the line down quickly. then, using the same size running guide to the tip. usually there are 2-4 choke guides.

the lowrider was originally designed for longer surf spinning rods, those over 12'. the placement of the "catch guide" is about 47", but a lot of that depends on the angle of the reel's foot, line used, spool diameter, etc. recently, fuji has started to incorporate this system on rods under 9'. some people have built rods in the 10-11' range with this system and it has worked for them. this system can also be used for people building a dual purpose rod - spin and cast.