banning lead sinkers at ccns beaches? - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

WESTPORTMAFIA · 03-22-2009, 09:40 PM

Would you buy a house with lead paint? No. Even though you handle lead sinkers, jig heads and everything else? I use my teeth to open split shots made from lead. It doesn't seem like a big deal while fishing but when buying or selling houses it's a huge deal because it's poison. We all love lead but we all know it's not a good thing. You wouldn't want your family handling it and it's not a good thing to add to the ocean. I'm not trying to lecture anyone. I'm guilty as charged. But the bottom line is that the %$%$%$%$ is bad. I smoke butts and know it's bad too. http://www.http://kidshealth.org/par...poisoning.html. Toy companies don't get sued for multi-millions because lead is safe and fun for the whole family. Again don't get me wrong I use it and have for years. But we need to not be ignorant for their reasons for banning.

WESTPORTMAFIA · 03-22-2009, 09:45 PM

I have my head gear on for the punishment I may take for this post.

Raven · 03-23-2009, 04:58 AM

need hydro drill set up for drilling holes in small stones

or tubular netting might be a solution too

http://www.industrialnetting.com/netguard.html

Back Beach · 03-23-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

I have my head gear on for the punishment I may take for this post.

Why the headgear? You made some valid points.

The world isn't coming to an end simply because lead weights are being banned. There's plenty of alternatives as someone noted.People don't hesitate to shell out $500 plus for a reel. I don't anticipate people will quit fishing because weights just became more expensive.

maddmatt · 03-23-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Why the headgear? You made some valid points.

The world isn't coming to an end simply because lead weights are being banned. There's plenty of alternatives as someone noted.People don't hesitate to shell out $500 plus for a reel. I don't anticipate people will quit fishing because weights just became more expensive.

you don't get it

we lose liberty after liberty

freedom after freedom

and you just keep bending over asking for another one

we've got to draw the line somewhere

Back Beach · 03-23-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by maddmatt

you don't get it

we lose liberty after liberty

freedom after freedom

and you just keep bending over asking for another one

we've got to draw the line somewhere

Actually I do get it. There's an old saying.."He who defends everything defends nothing."
Certain things are worth fighing for and lead sinkers aren't it, IMO. Issues you dig into and defend are access issues, which impact everyone.
As a fisherman who spent most of my life on CCNS, I can tell you although I used to think CCNS existed strictly for the enjoyment/exploitment by shore based striped bass fishermen, I realize now it was never the case then and it isn't the case now.

Bird hunters adapted to steel shot without too much pain.....

numbskull · 03-23-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

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The world isn't coming to an end simply because lead weights are being banned. There's plenty of alternatives as someone noted.People don't hesitate to shell out $500 plus for a reel. I don't anticipate people will quit fishing because weights just became more expensive.

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it !!!!!
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=55869

Back Beach · 03-23-2009, 01:05 PM

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I knew it, I knew it, I knew it !!!!!
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=55869

Face it Numby, us eel fishers are true environmental stewards. Eels are renewable, biodegradable, and non toxic.

Its you plug fishermen that deforest our woodlands, kill the ozone with all those aerosol paints, and puncture the eyeballs out of our schoolies with your two and three sets of treble hooks.

The good news is there is hope for folks like you. In time, I believe you'll see the light....

Krispy · 03-23-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Face it Numby, us eel fishers are true environmental stewards. Eels are renewable, biodegradable, and non toxic.

Its you plug fishermen that deforest our woodlands, kill the ozone with all those aerosol paints, and puncture the eyeballs out of our schoolies with your two and three sets of treble hooks.

The good news is there is hope for folks like you. In time, I believe you'll see the light....

Sounds like a bumper sticker to me:
"Save a schoolie, blind an eel"
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Plum Crazy · 03-23-2009, 02:17 PM

Once again the government has worked you all (and me) into a frenzy.
There are no facts people!
Just a silly press release.
Calm the hell down.
Salty, I will buy your plugs today, tommorrow and for as long as you make them.
Can we please debate this when the REAL facts come out?

Good flippin LORD! I wish you guys all cared this much about access issues.

In fact if anyone cared enough about any of the issues we have to deal with they would be at all (or any) of the meetings pertaining to such things. Like the MSBA or MBBA or RFA................................. and be speaking out there instead of a message board where all you are gonna get is people agreeing or disagreeing with you and non stop BS.
There are people out there fighting for you. Non stop. ALWAYS! AND they need your support!
You have a few choices... Shut up... join and speak up (and vote)... spend your life whining or just ignore it.
Everyone wants to cry when they get shut off but nobody wants to play the game.(while your friends bust their a s s e s for you)
It's not a game anymore.
The lack of interest and commitment has made me crazy for years.(to the point of just giving up). Why should a handful of people fight your battle?
If you don't like the way things are SPEAK UP!
You all only speak out when it effects you personally.
Joining together is the only way to beat these people.
You can ignore me all you want but the way I am looking at this is that they are trying to ban lead in National Parks, not the ocean.
CCNS is a National Park (Hey Plum Island is in there too). But all lead bans previously made are FRESH WATER, DRINKING WATER.
All previous lead bans have been for under 2 oz.
In my opinion you are all freaking out about nothing.
I am sure that when the facts come out it will all be handled as it should be and the people
who are always watching out for you and taking care of you will be right on top of it, as always.
You need to support them.

numbskull · 03-23-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

Its you plug fishermen that deforest our woodlands, kill the ozone with all those aerosol paints, and puncture the eyeballs out of our schoolies with your two and three sets of treble hooks.

The good news is there is hope for folks like you. .

By good news did you mean "eel handlers disease"?

Plum Crazy · 03-23-2009, 05:32 PM

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!

wheresmy50 · 03-23-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

Would you buy a house with lead paint? No. Even though you handle lead sinkers, jig heads and everything else? I use my teeth to open split shots made from lead. It doesn't seem like a big deal while fishing but when buying or selling houses it's a huge deal because it's poison. We all love lead but we all know it's not a good thing. You wouldn't want your family handling it and it's not a good thing to add to the ocean. I'm not trying to lecture anyone. I'm guilty as charged. But the bottom line is that the %$%$%$%$ is bad. I smoke butts and know it's bad too. http://www.http://kidshealth.org/par...poisoning.html. Toy companies don't get sued for multi-millions because lead is safe and fun for the whole family. Again don't get me wrong I use it and have for years. But we need to not be ignorant for their reasons for banning.

No headgear needed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; even sometimes on internet fishing forums.

Where I fundamentally disagree with you and the government is over whether lead metal is an environmental pollutant in the quantities that are consistent with the occasional lost sinker.

I think, and I've said before, that legislation like this only exists to infringe on sportsmen through means other than an all-out ban. I have yet to see any evidence that birds, fish, marine mamals, etc. have been harmed through the use of lead in fishing tackle. It's not enough, in my opinion, to assume that because there are certain circumstances where "lead" can be harmful to certain people at certain points in their development, it's harmful to use lead fishing tackle. Further, once we start getting into banning things because they have a higher relative risk than other things, we're well on our way down the slippery slope. This is how peanut butter went from being a staple of kids' lunches, to something akin to rat poison. Isn't night fishing more dangerous than day fishing? Aren't barbed hooks more harmful than non-barbed? Shouldn't korkers be mandatory? If you can't shoot a seal, then why can you hook one? - should't fishermen be forced off the beaches when seals are present?

If I were a pessimist, I'd say that someone will soon issue a report "questioning" (since there's no proof, we can only question - the media will be indifferent to the difference) whether or not you can poision a person who eats fish that ate lead. The same thing is happening now with hunting.