Shouldnt there be... - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

RIJIMMY · 04-28-2009, 08:04 AM

reports of tons of schoolies? Clammer has me very concerned on the state of the bass. Its April 28, I know we had a cool spring, but there should be reports of hundreds of schoolies along the WW and MTK by now.
I'm not looking for spots, since I'm not interested in catching them, just wondering, is ANYONE into large amounts of fish? Am I being paranoid?

bart · 04-28-2009, 10:26 AM

unless it's as bad as clammer says( which could be entirely true) it should go off any day now...

slow eddie · 04-28-2009, 10:53 AM

should have happened 2 weeks ago. only 1 school of babys so far. way off.

JFigliuolo · 04-28-2009, 11:27 AM

I usually skip trout season in CT... since I'd rather catch scholies in RI. This year I've been fishing for trout and waiting for stripes... I hope it's the cold weather, so far things seem a little later than the past few years.

FWIW, I'm in the "things are in trouble" camp.

RIJIMMY · 04-28-2009, 11:42 AM

me too

Clammer · 04-28-2009, 12:06 PM

the water temp in Narragansett bay is ;;

50 & above .. everywhere / but probably @ the mouth ;

up north in the back rivers .. Saturday night is was 55 to 58 .. where ever we went ...... & another skunk . that,s three in the last 10 days ;;

I don,t think I,ve been skunked 3 times in the spring in the last 50 years ><><<><

Rockport24 · 04-28-2009, 12:42 PM

wow that does not sound good. No offense to you guys, but I hope you are all wrong and the fish just got sick of the WW and decided to come straight to the north shore!

Pete_G · 04-28-2009, 01:48 PM

They might have got lost trying to enter the Bay. Everything seems fine (as far as late April fishing goes) where I'm fishing. The little ones were fighting over topwater baits there was so many of them yesterday.

By "schoolies" are we talking about early 12 to 26 inch fish, and not "schoolies" that we'll be catching in a few weeks, correct?

RIJIMMY · 04-28-2009, 03:30 PM

yeah Pete, talking about the dinks that usually show early.
I can say that last year, I started get fish between 24-32" the first weekend in May, lots of them while fishing in the mid-bay. By the middle of May 20+lb fish were showing regularly.

Clammer · 04-28-2009, 04:03 PM

yeah Pete .

when we were allowed to sell schoolies / the max. weight was 6 pounds ;;which is well under the 28" legal limit ;

Everyone could fill the boat / or beach last year with 26" to 33.5 " fish .. but many commercial guys had to cull thru them to get the market size of 34";;

they are so busy / F $%^&*() with the size & numbers & dates with Tautog, Scup, sea bass & fluke .. they are totally missing or ignoring the biggest issue .. STRIPERS::

WE might as well add this infux & their destruction as well >>>>>>>>>>>>> && that being / the seals, the millions of commarants , the osprey & the hawks ;;
As quick as the herring are trying to make a comeback ... these 4 critters are on a feeding frenzy ;;

25 years ago .. 1 or two seals would make us stop digging to watch them ....... commarants / didn,t exist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now every f $%^&*() winter .......... they feed on sea herring [seals] & every time a commarant dives ........ you can see it swallowing a winter flounder or eel .& we all know the state of these two species in RI ><><

STREETFIGHT · 04-28-2009, 04:05 PM

the 2 early season spots i fish in ct. have so far been- spot A) right on time & spot B) a couple weeks early (to me thats a good sign) - my dad who fishes the east end of long island got his first fish of "08" on 4/9..... he got his first of "09" yesterday- he said the bait and bass in the early spots he fishes are about 2 weeks behind- he only started to see the first schools of bunker last weekend.

piemma · 04-28-2009, 04:21 PM

50 degree water all over. 56 in EG. I marked a few fish but no schools. I didn't really fish. I was taking the boat for a "shakedown" cruise.

Pete_G · 04-28-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

fish between 24-32"

They must be close to rolling into the Bay, I saw more then a few fish getting close to keeper size caught over the past few days along the coast.

Cool Beans · 04-28-2009, 08:54 PM

Nevermind, I originally posted a newspaper article from Newport paper this week, but may have some of you guys "spots" listed as hot, so I pulled it back.

Would this be spot burning to post a printed fishing report, if it helps S-B fishermen. Especially after the Cup kicks off, I would think all the info we can get to help the team would be good. Feedback on this?

GonnaCatchABig1 · 04-28-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Nevermind, I originally posted a newspaper article from Newport paper this week, but may have some of you guys "spots" listed as hot, so I pulled it back.

Would this be spot burning to post a printed fishing report, if it helps S-B fishermen. Especially after the Cup kicks off, I would think all the info we can get to help the team would be good. Feedback on this?

you would think that. only problem is, it's not a private forum. there for pretty much any one who googles "stripers" will eventually run into it. (there are times in mid season when there are 33 registered users (posters) and 200 guests (non posters) viewing these forums) and BAM! there goes all the spots.

edit: still stuff like the OTW reports are generally fine. common knowledge is ""ok"". but to some, what seems like common knowledge, is super secret info to others. so generally specific spot stuff is bad.

kind of sucks. but thats how it is.

fishaholic18 · 04-28-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Clammer

I don,t think I,ve been skunked 3 times in the spring in the last 50 years ><><<><

U said that last year....Plenty of fish here,,,

Clammer · 04-28-2009, 10:10 PM

PETE G

that,s it exactly >>>>>>>> keepers are coming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT true schoolies ..

HISTORY repeats itself ;;

BE careful Dave >>>>> ya get me down there next fall / If I can get some tail inline /add to the fishing & ya might have me there longer than ya think ><><><><

Clammer · 04-28-2009, 10:11 PM

IF ALL WERE TOO KNOW ><><>><

SMOKE & MIRRORS

Circlehook · 04-28-2009, 10:20 PM

I was in Virginia Beach last weekend, left on their "Trophy Season Opener", or "Large Breeder Massacre" however you see it.

Anyway, all the locals down there said that all the large where still way up in the Potomac waiting to spawn as the water was still too cold down there. Apparently they won't spawn until the water hits a certain temperature.

Should be anyday by now, I am sure the deed is done and the fleet are sailing north after the past weeks weather.

piemma · 04-29-2009, 03:32 AM

I am probably wrong. I'm not a fish biologist. But I know that I hear this same stuff every year and every year by June 1 everyone is smiling. It only April for God sake and we had a long cold winter, as almost all of the country did. If we are not catching fish by mid May then I'll start to worry.

Raven · 04-29-2009, 05:22 AM

i mean the reproduction rate due to pollution in the Chesapeake bay and subsequent disease
is having an undesirable affect on numbers....

but the cold temps hanging around has changed ....dramatically

every two years .... spring has moved up by 1 week

i used to be able to plant my peas every year on Saint Patrick's day
not any more....

there's a 30 day difference now

or roughly 4 weeks for spring to arrive

for ground temps and water temps...
so ADJUST YOUR CALENDER

RIJIMMY · 04-29-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by piemma

I am probably wrong. I'm not a fish biologist. But I know that I hear this same stuff every year and every year by June 1 everyone is smiling. It only April for God sake and we had a long cold winter, as almost all of the country did. If we are not catching fish by mid May then I'll start to worry.

Paul, just my experience that by now people are nailing 50+ schoolies all over the place, you know the spots. It seems like Pete G is seeing fish so that makes me feel a little better. Who knows, bait moves, things change.
2 years ago I caught so many bluefish in Sept and Oct, it was disgusting, last year less than a dozen. I'm not worried about the bluefish pop, things changed. Clammer and others have been preaching doom and I was curious to see how this spring went and so far seems slow for the dinks. I have no clue, but it worries me.

Crafty Angler · 04-29-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Clammer

PETE G

that,s it exactly >>>>>>>> keepers are coming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT true schoolies ..

HISTORY repeats itself ;;

What Clammer said.

The numbers of small bass appear to be dwindling from the highs I remember in the last dozen years or so -

While there are some school fish around - notably in That Spot Pete referred to - they aren't elsewhere yet.

There are still seals out on the Drive as of a few days ago on Seal Rock (hence the name), and cormorants by the hundreds.

I dunno, maybe the answer is a seal hunt using cormorants as a club - probably wouldn't get a lot of popular support though, I guess

Water temps are above what I always considered the trigger point locally

Beats me - but historically speaking, a dearth of small bass and a glut of larger fish parallels the two biggest crashes - the one in the late 1800's that caused the closure of the great striped bass clubs of that era and the more recent moratorium

Yeah, I'm concerned - and Clammer is right about fisheries management dropping the ball again - 2 fish a day at 28" has been sheer stupidity.

You've gotta ask yourself, what would we all do without a bass fishery?

God knows I don't have the temperment or social skills for golf. The people you run into golfing are the ones I go fishing to avoid, anyway...

So who's gonna be the next Bob Pond this time around?...

You know, if I am completely wrong, I'd rather have erred on the side of caution.

Mike P · 04-29-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Paul, just my experience that by now people are nailing 50+ schoolies all over the place, you know the spots. It seems like Pete G is seeing fish so that makes me feel a little better. Who knows, bait moves, things change.
2 years ago I caught so many bluefish in Sept and Oct, it was disgusting, last year less than a dozen. I'm not worried about the bluefish pop, things changed. Clammer and others have been preaching doom and I was curious to see how this spring went and so far seems slow for the dinks. I have no clue, but it worries me.

Don't you think that the people catching 50+ schoolies a day might be as big a problem as the seals and cormorants? Even with the best handling, there has to be some release mortality.

I've never targeted schoolies in huge numbers in the spring. Holdover or fresh, they've either spent a stressful winter or undertaken a long migration. I know that everyone is itchy to go after a long dry period, but the bigger fish will be along soon.

RIJIMMY · 04-29-2009, 08:06 AM

definitley Mike, Im sure it causes damage. Im just using that as a comparison for the amount of fish around.

DZ · 04-29-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Crafty Angler

There are still seals out on the Drive as of a few days ago on Seal Rock (hence the name), and cormorants by the hundreds.

Lot's of cormorants means bait and there is tons of small bait around - I'm seeing it while togging and it has drawn mackeral into the harbor. When you have lots of bait the bass can be anywhere - and they probably are. Just give it time as Piemma says.

DZ

JFigliuolo · 04-29-2009, 08:18 AM

I would love the bass dispersed with a ton of bait... Not so great for us fisheman, but great for the bass. It saddens me when bass are schooled in tight in a predicatable location. IE bunker, in the bay... Makes for an easy killing spree/massacre.

I've always thought that a LOW/MODERATE amount of bait was a bad thing. Concentrates allot of bass in a small area. A nice even spread of bait is what I'd like to see.

Crafty Angler · 04-29-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DZ

Lot's of cormorants means bait and there is tons of small bait around - I'm seeing it while togging and it has drawn mackeral into the harbor. When you have lots of bait the bass can be anywhere - and they probably are. Just give it time as Piemma says.

DZ

Still real thin in the squid department, Dennis - have yet to see a single ink stain at the GIC -

Glad to hear you're seeing macks - the big question is, are you seeing any blackfish...

Feel free to answer via PM...I'm gonna go sight-fishing for 'em tomorrow...

Crafty Angler · 04-29-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by piemma

I am probably wrong. I'm not a fish biologist. But I know that I hear this same stuff every year and every year by June 1 everyone is smiling. It only April for God sake and we had a long cold winter, as almost all of the country did. If we are not catching fish by mid May then I'll start to worry.

Hey, Paul - I'm old and old people are notoriously impatient...besides being grumpy...

turkeyslayer · 04-29-2009, 09:57 AM

Nobody can look up a bulls rear end any farther than the next guy. speculation doesn't solve a thing. Every year is different from the last; you just enjoy what you get and adjust your style and location to fit that change. One year theyr'e on this side of the rock and the next year they are on the otherside at a different tide. Guys get spoiled and forget how to work for fish. I bet if we looked at the minutes from surf clubs in the early years they were also speculating about the end of all things to come.

Get a grip here fellows!