White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

[Raven]

that's a change

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Raven

that's a change

Rav, i think the old expressions, believe none of what you hear and 1/2
of what you see, and I'll believe it when i see it applies here.

[Raven]

i never expected there to be social security benefits
when i reach the age 65....

there'd be some kind of excuse by then...
trillions of dollars worth of deficit seems appropriate.

i don't trust them to do anything right

[Cool Beans]

Rush mentioned some of this on thursday, how Obama could save his butt and get some of his support back. All he has to do is step back and say, "Ok, the people have spoken and this bill is not what they want, I'm dropping it and we'll go back to the table with the American people in mind and re-work this in a bipartisan way. It may take longer than I wanted, but in the end we can get a bill that helps the American people". Then he can wait a while and slam the same crap back out on a different plate and hope we take a bite. It's all a way to save face and in the end he may still get us to eat this "sh*t sandwich" of a bill.

Basic idea from Rush, except for the last 3 lines, which are my humble opinions.

Any set back in the Obama administration is a small victory for the Conservatives. "I hope he fails".....

I can hear the gerbils in Spence's head (most of them are in his head anyway) start to spin away on that wheel. I can't wait to see what they spit out of his mouth.....

[spence]

We already have a "public option" for million of people, so the notion that this is something new isn't very accurate.

Obama hasn't been able to articulate how the public option won't help costs at the expense of the free market, so to take it off the table isn't a big surprise.

That being said...Right now I'm trying to get Cigna to pay 225 dollars for something they told my wife over the phone was covered, but now say is isn't.

Aside from some meaningless appeals I have little recourse...

All the while the CEO is earning 30 Million+

And people think there's nothing wrong with our system?

-spence

[saltfly]

It's the ALTERNATIVE that's the problem.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

We already have a "public option" for million of people, so the notion that this is something new isn't very accurate.

Obama hasn't been able to articulate how the public option won't help costs at the expense of the free market, so to take it off the table isn't a big surprise.

That being said...Right now I'm trying to get Cigna to pay 225 dollars for something they told my wife over the phone was covered, but now say is isn't.

Aside from some meaningless appeals I have little recourse...

All the while the CEO is earning 30 Million+

And people think there's nothing wrong with our system?

-spence

See Spence, thats the beauty of the free enterprise system we have now,, Cigna screws you over, you can switch to Blue cross or whoever.... with his plan eventually you wouldnt have that option...

Yes there are problems with the way it is now,,, but making it worse will not make it better... making it bigger will not make it cheaper... making it free to everyone that cant afford it,,, cant reduce costs... and penalizing rich will not fund the "change" they will take their $$ elsewhere... If you like socialized medicine, I believe Rush mentioned on his show Friday, he would pay for your flight to Canada if you legally changed your residence to Canada, so you could use their wonderful health care program....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

See Spence, thats the beauty of the free enterprise system we have now,, Cigna screws you over, you can switch to Blue cross or whoever.... with his plan eventually you wouldnt have that option...

Actually, in this case it was dental insurance and I didn't have a choice as it was the only plan offered by my employer.

If you like socialized medicine, I believe Rush mentioned on his show Friday, he would pay for your flight to Canada if you legally changed your residence to Canada, so you could use their wonderful health care program....

Nobody has proposed socializing the entire system, and as I mentioned before we already have a hybrid social system. Additionally, from what I gather the health care in Canada and the UK aren't that bad. Most people's opinions have been formed by years of misinformation and rhetoric.

-spence

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

We already have a "public option" for million of people, so the notion that this is something new isn't very accurate.

Obama hasn't been able to articulate how the public option won't help costs at the expense of the free market, so to take it off the table isn't a big surprise.

That being said...Right now I'm trying to get Cigna to pay 225 dollars for something they told my wife over the phone was covered, but now say is isn't.

Aside from some meaningless appeals I have little recourse...

All the while the CEO is earning 30 Million+

And people think there's nothing wrong with our system?

-spence

I see nothing wrong with our present system. My family medical plan is roughly $12,000.00 per year at the moment. My medication is $100,000 per year at the moment, my co- pay for the meds is 40.00 per month. With out it I would not be able to drive, fish and hunt let alone leave my home.

Under Obama's plan I would probably be visiting his panel of doctors (death panel) and thrown aside.

Yes we have public option, there is also free medical that the hospitals dole out to the less fortunate. They lose millions in providing this service.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

I see nothing wrong with our present system. My family medical plan is roughly $12,000.00 per year at the moment. My medication is $100,000 per year at the moment, my co- pay for the meds is 40.00 per month. With out it I would not be able to drive, fish and hunt let alone leave my home.

For starters you might wonder why that medication costs 100,000 grand a year.

Under Obama's plan I would probably be visiting his panel of doctors (death panel) and thrown aside.

If they don't exist how can they cast you aside?

Yes we have public option, there is also free medical that the hospitals dole out to the less fortunate. They lose millions in providing this service.

Yes, the root of the problem is the Hippocratic oath!

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Under Obama's plan I would probably be visiting his panel of doctors (death panel) and thrown aside.

Except that's not part of the proposal. You must be listening to Rush with Cool Beans.