White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

Interestingly enough, with the President who PROMISED more transparency in government, we can't find the current bill anywhere. But we can find a brilliant advertising campaign at whitehouse dot gov....

It took me 2 seconds to find it on google. Been available for weeks now.

[Karl F]

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf



section 1233 is the section that created the death squad allegations...
if that helps...

[scottw]

I would miss you so much Johnny, the provision has been removed, has it not? you know, the one that never existed...if you are waiting for someone to show you the line where it states "death panel" I guess you'll be waiting a while, that was Sarah Baby's brilliant stroke., more like an ICBM...you know, like "wither on the vine", "domestic spying" I could recount a list of dem mischaracterizations and they have the mainstream media that will fully promote all of their propoganda for them for free, just think about how hard it must be for the handful of conservatives, a little cable news outlet and a few radios ,

hell, you can't even disparage a guy that spent his entire life viciously disparaging and tearing down honest and decent people for political reasons with little regard...I won't even mention his name(Chivas) for fear of being labled hateful....but...man, it sure is a one way street...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

I would miss you so much Johnny, the provision has been removed, has it not? you know, the one that never existed...if you are waiting for someone to show you the line where it states "death panel" I guess you'll be waiting a while, that was Sarah Baby's brilliant stroke., more like an ICBM...you know, like "wither on the vine", "domestic spying" I could recount a list of dem mischaracterizations and they have the mainstream media that will fully promote all of their propoganda for them for free, just think about how hard it must be for the handful of conservatives, a little cable news outlet and a few radios ,

hell, you can't even disparage a guy that spent his entire life viciously disparaging and tearing down honest and decent people for political reasons with little regard...I won't even mention his name(Chivas) for fear of being labled hateful....but...man, it sure is a one way street...

Oh ok. So you can't.

If you want to see the bill that has existed since July 14, see the below link. This version existed before the "Death Panel" fabrications began, thus should not have the supposed provision removed.

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

So stop skirting the issue, man up, and show me where in the above bill these death squads exist. Else, it's time to stop bringing up the subject, especially since there are other items of major concern that are *actually in the proposal*.


Edit: Here's a direct quote of Palin's definition of Death Panel:

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Oh ok. So you can't.

death squads exist.
OOPS!

Edit: Here's a direct quote of Palin's definition of Death Panel:

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “compassionate healthcare rationing panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

is that better?

what you are neglecting is that the combination of the language in the bill and the sketchy folks involved in writing it together with the provision in the stimulus together with the past comments and opining of Obama and many on his heathcare task force are certainly a huge cause for concern and that's before you consider whether government has any role at all in these issues....if you want to keep yelling.."show me where it says death squads", have at it....this was just one small portion of the bill that was highly questionable and I guess they're going back to the drawing board, the fight isn't over...

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

what you are neglecting is that the combination of the language in the bill and the sketchy folks involved in writing it together with the provision in the stimulus together with the past comments and opining of Obama and many on his heathcare task force are certainly a huge cause for concern and that's before you consider whether government has any role at all in these issues...

WTF???

I think the tin-foil antenna needs some adjustment.

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

what you are neglecting is that the combination of the language in the bill and the sketchy folks involved in writing it together with the provision in the stimulus together with the past comments and opining of Obama and many on his heathcare task force are certainly a huge cause for concern and that's before you consider whether government has any role at all in these issues....if you want to keep yelling.."show me where it says death squads", have at it....this was just one small portion of the bill that was highly questionable and I guess they're going back to the drawing board, the fight isn't over...

Spin, spin, spin.

Basically, what you're saying is all the bitching about death panels is garbage but, because the bill is flawed, the Conservatives are at liberty to make up fabrications because of "what might be in the bill." According to some of *your* previous posts, these supposed "death panels" were cemented into the verbiage of the currently proposed bill.

Don't get your panties in a bunch because I'm trying to hold you accountable for your words, just as you hold me to mine.

[scottw]

[QUOTE=JohnnyD;706076]Spin, spin, spin.

Basically, what you're saying is all the bitching about death panels is garbage but, because the bill is flawed, the Conservatives are at liberty to make up fabrications because of "what might be in the bill." According to some of *your* previous posts, these supposed "death panels" were cemented into the verbiage of the currently proposed bill.

Don't get your panties in a bunch because I'm trying to hold you accountable for your words, just as you hold me to mine.[/QUOTE]

not at all, that's completely fair....although the clock is reset and the second half is about to begin and this is a moot point, but, I simply provided the substantiation for why some came to that conclusion, when you are dealing with incrementalists you have to look at what they intend down the road and not so much at what they're trying to sell you today...there are a lot of creepy folks involved with this admin. at many levels....I'm amazed that a "dead or dying" conservative idealogy/republican party and a moron from Wasilla, Alaska and a couple of angry mob members at a few town halls were able to so easily derail the brilliant Obama, Pelosi, Reed supported by the entire mainstream media and their union thugs and government funded special interest groups like Acorn....but they'll be back Joe is exactly right...

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It took me 2 seconds to find it on google. Been available for weeks now.

Exactly what I am saying....you had to use Google to SEARCH, why post the SPIN at Whitehouse dot gov and not a link to the bill......

Put the Kool-Aid down and no one gets hurt...