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08-24-2009, 03:41 AM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rhode Island
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I hate the "stinking Plovers". We were doing battle over this silly Bastages back in 90. Here we are almost 20 years later and they are still endagered?? Come on!! Stop the insanity. They had their chance. Now give us back the beaches!!!
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No boat, back in the suds.  
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08-24-2009, 07:03 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: trying for Truro
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they are never going to give us back our beaches - they want us OFF. They now close beach for tern nests too. The issue of 'threatened' or 'endangered' is now irrelevant - the beaches are for birds, period. My ranger pals have told me for years that that state of MA want the CCNS for a bird sactuary - meaning not only no trucks or fishermen, but no people. I'm sure the enviromental extremists everywhere feel the same about the beach in their (meaning your) back yards too.
Patrick, CCNS was not all open - it was closed from #8 to High Head. That is where the tern colony is.
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All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.
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08-25-2009, 04:06 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Middleboro MA
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08-25-2009, 04:21 PM
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lobster = striper bait
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Popes Island Performing Arts Center
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2na
My ranger pals have told me for years that that state of MA want the CCNS for a bird sactuary
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They hitting the sauce while you talk to them?
Cape Cod NATIONAL Seashore. |
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08-25-2009, 04:35 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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likweed... the STATE
laws apply, even in the National Seashore...
and even take presidence over the Feds...
the bird folk have higher power, in the Pay State....
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08-25-2009, 05:02 PM
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lobster = striper bait
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Popes Island Performing Arts Center
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl F
likweed... the STATE
laws apply, even in the National Seashore...
and even take presidence over the Feds...
the bird folk have higher power, in the Pay State....
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Not when they start playing stupid games they don't.
They'd have to get fed approval to pull that crap.
And its a good source of income. Nevermind the fact that it might as well be Crack Cod these days. |
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08-25-2009, 05:30 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2002
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Ted..National Park by law cannot make a profit..so good source of income, is a moot point for them...
Scott Melvin weilds the might bird patrol, with the strong backing of the MA Audubon... he is like the wizard of plover and terns..what he says...goes.
Never mind vejhicle access... they just plain want people off the beaches... period.
cape crowd..crack cod, cape crap... all apply...and any other play on words..  ... |
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08-25-2009, 06:58 PM
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lobster = striper bait
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Popes Island Performing Arts Center
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl F
Ted..National Park by law cannot make a profit..so good source of income, is a moot point for them...
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But its a 2 way street you see.
Close more down for the birds = less beachgoers.
Shut them down more = kiss the Cape's summer income goodbye.
Summer income gone = nobody to pay the wages of the booth kids and the park rangers.
People running the NP see this = they get pissed.
There aren't enough bird people to keep it all open.
They'll learn sooner or later.
Or they won't and nobody will go on the beach at all and everyone loses. |
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08-25-2009, 05:45 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: trying for Truro
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They didn't get fed approval to put terns on the 'protect at all costs' list, did they? Or did I miss that? That is what is holding the beach opening this year. One single tern had a nest at the bottom of the north access at the ranger station (three weeks ago, after most of the north side had opened). Once it hatched, shut it back down - too bad. And as I said to Patrick, the reason that 1/2 of the south beach is shut (2.5+miles) is because that is where the tern colony resides. And if you drive what is open, a substantial part of it has the beach roped off, you can only pass by - because the terns like that little stretch of sand. Can't be bothering the terns, you know. Welcome to MA. Plovers are nothing - there are 50x as many terns. And next will be some other bird that starts nesting on the beach because it is protected. Last year, just because one of the Fish & Wildlife bird freaks thought they saw a royal tern (endangered) they roped off a mile of beach just in case it wanted to come back. What a crock of shi'ite.
The beach may be federal, but they (the National Park Service) are under orders from Washington to honor the requests of the host states - and the state of MA wants the beach for birds, and wants 'birds (to) come first' - that is the exact statement. If you know anyone higher up in the MBBA, ask them. The rangers hate this crap as much as we do - it is the Fish & Wildlife side of the NPS that governs this, and it is full of environmental extremists.
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08-25-2009, 04:42 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
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08-25-2009, 05:53 PM
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Permanently Disconnected
Join Date: Nov 2002
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Raven are those PLOVER WINGS
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Originally Posted by Raven
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08-25-2009, 06:12 PM
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but of course....  |
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