inner city and the democratic party

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Really, You need extensive schooling to be a roofer.

You're right about that. But, we also have millions of Americans here without jobs. So let more people come in without any skills to take them?

I got a friend that is a GC and he started by just being a day laborer lugging building supplies around. Learned on the job started carpentry, pay when up opportunities went up and he is where he is now.......and no additional schooling needed.

Any profession takes time to master. An Electrician can go to school and then has to log in so many hours as a journeyman....I'm pretty sure thats the same for a plumber

I don't know the details of how the tradesman fields work aside from Electrician.

I'm not arguing with you about the fact that the US INS service sucks....I know it does....it needs to be fixed. There needs to be a screening process, a checkin process......a lot of processes....I know that

and the terrorist examples are kind of weak.....c'mon 3 million untrackable VISA's and your going to pull out the fact that 2 of them are terrorists......your better than that

The terrorist example is just a high profile one. Also, I believe both of those people had been pulled over by police at one point or another and released (I know this minimally the case for the hijacker), which demonstrates yet another hole in the system. I used it as an example of the ultimate price paid for the system being extremely over-burdened and essentially made impotent by the current open-door policy.

and this will give the same red tape headaches as the current system.

How? People could be culled out during the application process. Anything is better than the current state of things.

Once they're in....they're in. no guarantees they're leaving or are going to pay their own way

You're right. But if there was a system in place to increase the odds those people will be productive citizens, we're already at a net-gain. Then, there are fewer immigrants needed to be overseen - another net-gain.

Ultimately, the country needs a policy of that if they apply for government assistance, the only assistance they get is enough for a plane ticket back where they came.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

How? People could be culled out during the application process. Anything is better than the current state of things..

How do you verify that a guy is going to pay his own way. Now you need to tie Banking systems into the approval process. How do you verify that a guy has Skill sets? Based on the schooling aspects you now have to tie in access to the places of Higher Learning into the approval process. Here for a vacation, what hotel are you staying at? oh you're not staying at a hotel? who's house then will you be staying at? Oh you're here to visit the national park.....which ones, what Campsites are you staying at?

Also, how about a criminal background check. That is one that should be mandatory....you got a record....see ya.

that's a lot of red tape.

I agree they need an approval process...and also a monitoring process....but you still have to let people in at some point.

If we didn't just think how crappy the Indian, Chinese, and Mexican food would taste

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

You're right. But if there was a system in place to increase the odds those people will be productive citizens, we're already at a net-gain. Then, there are fewer immigrants needed to be overseen - another net-gain..

Again, that's the system that needs to be fixed. There should be a minimum waiting period, an interview process, and a "Business Plan" submitted.......Like Twisted Sister Said "what are you going to do with your life"

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Ultimately, the country needs a policy of that if they apply for government assistance, the only assistance they get is enough for a plane ticket back where they came.

See we can agree...I'm all for that one.