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11-13-2009, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
From what I understand is the trial is to be held in civilian court. Are you tring to say this is Bush's idea Spence? They never would step foot on American soil let alone NY, if Bush had his way. Nice try.
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Nice try? How about you try the Google...
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11-13-2009, 06:34 PM
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Nice try? How about you try the Google...
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Not sure what your point is but the trials are being held in Fed. Court just blocks from Ground Zero. |
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11-13-2009, 07:04 PM
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Not sure what your point is but the trials are being held in Fed. Court just blocks from Ground Zero.
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Ahhh, it looks like the news story I was reading had mixed the cases...I can't find it anymore, go figure...
But it also looks like we've convicted nearly 200 terrorists in US Federal court, so what's the problem?
Do you believe in due process? Either these guys are terrorists or they are not.
Do you think it's ethical to hold them indefinately and probably submit them to some torture along the way, if we don't as a nation, who says we follow the rule of law, believe they don't stand the test of our own courts?
If so, what do you believe in?
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11-13-2009, 07:19 PM
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Spence, I googled Flyrod and I haven't come up on any of the five pages, go figure.
Ya! Ya! Spence your getting like JB have to google to get your answers
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11-13-2009, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod
Spence, I googled Flyrod and I haven't come up on any of the five pages, go figure.
Ya! Ya! Spence your getting like JB have to google to get your answers
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I'm assuming JB, is suppose to be JD.
I don't google in order to get my answers. I google to show support for my response. There's a difference between reading some website then copy/pasting it over here and saying "hey look at this! I agree with this!", and making a point then supporting it.
Strange thing though, my posts tend to be fact based, as opposed to subjective ramblings. |
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11-13-2009, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Ahhh, it looks like the news story I was reading had mixed the cases...I can't find it anymore, go figure...
NO, YOU CONFUSED YOUR GOOGLES AND ARE WRONG
But it also looks like we've convicted nearly 200 terrorists in US Federal court, so what's the problem?
THE PROBLEM IS IT WILL BE A CIRCUS AND IS POINTLESS, DANGEROUS AND STUPID
Do you believe in due process? Either these guys are terrorists or they are not.
THEY ARE
Do you think it's ethical to hold them indefinately and probably submit them to some torture along the way, if we don't as a nation, who says we follow the rule of law, believe they don't stand the test of our own courts?
IF THEY ARE FOUND NOT GUILTY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE WALKING FREE?
If so, what do you believe in?
-spence
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I believe that our civil court system is the wrong way of doling out justice to terrorist. Can you imagine coming up with an untainted jury pool of peers in of all places NYC.
You are giving the "masterminds" of the worst attack on the US since Pearl Harbor the open forumn to tell the world why they did it. They don't deserve that and the police, firefighters and people who suffered from 9/11 don't deserve that. |
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11-13-2009, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
I believe that our civil court system is the wrong way of doling out justice to terrorist. Can you imagine coming up with an untainted jury pool of peers in of all places NYC.
You are giving the "masterminds" of the worst attack on the US since Pearl Harbor the open forumn to tell the world why they did it. They don't deserve that and the police, firefighters and people who suffered from 9/11 don't deserve that.
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Then what is justice?
Do we follow the rule of law or not?
There are serious implications here.
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11-13-2009, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Then what is justice?
Do we follow the rule of law or not?
There are serious implications here.
-spence
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No, we use a military tribunal. That still follows the rule of law. Answer me this.....Why NY? Why now? Convince me. You voted for this guy knowing what he stood for. Closing Gitmo was a main campaign pledge. This is something he said he would do.
On second thought, nothing you say will convince me this is a good idea. Don't bother. |
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11-13-2009, 07:45 PM
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I'm taking a time out for cookies and milk.
Sorry!
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11-13-2009, 08:13 PM
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No, we use a military tribunal. That still follows the rule of law.
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Not according to the Supreme Court.
Think of it this way. GITMO was put in place by the "US Government" and from what I read the people detained there are not covered under any other jursidiction....
How could they not be covered under Federal laws?
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11-13-2009, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Ahhh, it looks like the news story I was reading had mixed the cases...I can't find it anymore, go figure...
-spence
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You didn't imagine it....I read the same article earlier.
was 4 going to NY for trial and 4-6 (can't remember exactly) facing a Military tribunal. |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-13-2009, 11:03 PM
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I wonder if these terrorists were read their Miranda rights? and I wonder how much evidence collected during their illegal and unjust detention will be admissable in court? Not to worry though, with an Attorney General with a history of terrorist pardons and a President whose best friend back in Chicago was a terrorist, we practically have terrorist experts on the job overseeing this whole operation...should be quite a spectacle...are these guys REALLY even terrorists or did they just "CRACK" and assist in the commission mass murder? maybe they were on Ambien?...and how do we even really know what their motivation was?.....they might make great college professors....
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11-13-2009, 11:49 PM
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are these guys REALLY even terrorists or did they just "CRACK" and assist in the commission mass murder? maybe they were on Ambien?...and how do we even really know what their motivation was?.....they might make great college professors....
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Even you know that this is a ridiculous comment and these terrorists have no relation to the incident last week. |
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11-14-2009, 12:00 AM
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Even you know that this is a ridiculous comment and these terrorists have no relation to the incident last week.
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none?
Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. probably just coincidence
oh, I can see it now ..the Obama defense.....you can't say that just because he hangs out with other anti- American radicals and terrorists and goes to a church with a radical leader spewing hate ...that he might himself be radical, it just makes him open-minded....why, that guy preaching might actually have a valid point...
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11-14-2009, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
You didn't imagine it....I read the same article earlier.
was 4 going to NY for trial and 4-6 (can't remember exactly) facing a Military tribunal.
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Try Fox news from now on  |
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11-14-2009, 12:23 AM
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Try Fox news from now on |
That's just a crapshoot between getting fabricated news or not. |
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11-14-2009, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by buckman
Try Fox news from now on |
I Tried...but after I watched it I felt the need for a Shower....scrubbed for an hour and just never felt clean |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-14-2009, 05:02 AM
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I Tried...but after I watched it I felt the need for a Shower....scrubbed for an hour and just never felt clean
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 No worries Kevin. For the trial you can tune in to any of the big three...... Alkazeer, Sead. Alkaze, Hachidak
" We interupt this beheading to bring you the latest on the evil Bush's torture and mistreatment of our freedom fighters. Live from NY"
This won't be far from what happens. I'm sure the news org. that brought you the decapitation of Pearl will have a front row seat. How else do we show the world how good we really are. 
Effffin pathetic 
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11-14-2009, 09:09 AM
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Johnny, sorry about the B instead of D
I must have been intoxicated from the calcium in the milk. I'll only have a half glass the next time, it couldn't have been the cranberries in the cookies. |
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11-14-2009, 09:13 AM
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Buckman: Happy hunting.
I will be around Kingfield Me. starting Sunday.
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11-14-2009, 10:57 AM
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Johnny, sorry about the B instead of D
I must have been intoxicated from the calcium in the milk. I'll only have a half glass the next time, it couldn't have been the cranberries in the cookies. |
mmmm... cookies and milk. But you've gotta replace those cranberries for chocolate chips. |
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