Health insurance

[Joe]

Interesting that hard left democrats are pissed off because its not socialized medicine, and the right is pissed off because it is socialized medicine.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Joe

Interesting that hard left democrats are pissed off because its not socialized medicine, and the right is pissed off because it is socialized medicine.

I'm pissed off because we can't afford it, it's a lousy bill that doesn't fix any problems but creates more hardship. It's based on fiscal lies. It screws senior citizens..... there is a reason they are doing it at this time. It's a sucky bill and they are ramming it down our collective throats. We deserve better. VOTE THEM OUT. or not. It's up to you.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Joe

Interesting that hard left democrats are pissed off because its not socialized medicine, and the right is pissed off because it is socialized medicine.

No one really knows what it actually is aside from what Fox News, MSNBC and CNN reports.

In one poll, more than half of Americans want this to go through - in another, less than 40% want it - in yet another, a public-option has over 60% support.

As a business owner, I'm prepping ourselves to bend over, grab the ankles and take it like a prison inmate.

Nothing good will come from this.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

As a business owner, I'm prepping ourselves to bend over, grab the ankles and take it like a prison inmate.

and you'll be getting exactly what you voted for...he warned you and you didn't listen....... Hope and Change

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

and you'll be getting exactly what you voted for...he warned you and you didn't listen....... Hope and Change

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

Johhny, this is not Obama's bill, per se. It's his forcing something through so he has one accomplishment to hang his hat on after a year in office. It's sad how he had to use threats and scare tactics just so he could claim that one of his campaign promises was kept after a year. I can't wait to hear him proclaim success with a plan that most Americans want nothing to do with.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Johhny, this is not Obama's bill, per se. It's his forcing something through so he has one accomplishment to hang his hat on after a year in office. It's sad how he had to use threats and scare tactics just so he could claim that one of his campaign promises was kept after a year. I can't wait to hear him proclaim success with a plan that most Americans want nothing to do with.

You're right. When the bill passes and he signs it, then signing off on it is completely on his shoulders, as is his current campaigning for it. However, many portray this entire situation as though Obama has sat down and written every nonsense clause in the bill and has personal ownership over the contents, which isn't the case at all - the idiots in the House and Senate hold that responsibility.

In the end, it's just easier for people to bitch about Obama and state the contents of the bill are completely his fault then doing a some research into who has been pushing which sections, who is requiring earmarks for their vote, who is for or against the abortion sections, or who's for the public-option.

I agree that he should be criticized about his blind support for the bill, but this isn't "Obama's Bill" as people here (and Obama himself) often portray it as. People tend to forget that we have a Legislative branch of government that does the legislating.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I agree that he should be criticized about his blind support for the bill, but this isn't "Obama's Bill" as people here (and Obama himself) often portray it as. People tend to forget that we have a Legislative branch of government that does the legislating.

I would call, it an "Obama, Pelosi, Reid Bill" as they are the main players,
the ones filling the back rooms with deals,with some calling it bribes and threats to get it passed.
I don't call that legislating, and certainly not representing the will of the American people.

But in the end Obama owns it, as it was his campaign promise to get one passed.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

Obama says he's getting 95% of what he wanted in the bill, one of you is lying...

"Obama said the Senate legislation accomplishes 95 percent of what he wanted on health care. "Every single criteria for reform I put forward is in this bill," the president said in an interview with The Washington Post."

there's that pesky number again 95%.....


again...let me be clear ... EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA FOR REFORM I PUT FORWARD IS IN THIS BILL....

QUOTE justplugit:
"I would call, it an "Obama, Pelosi, Reid Bill" as they are the main players"

I believe we have a new Axis of Evil

[TheSpecialist]

No matter he is a one term wonder, and then when a republican gets voted in the short sighted will just blame the republicans for the bad health care plan.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Joe

Interesting that hard left democrats are pissed off because its not socialized medicine, and the right is pissed off because it is socialized medicine.

It's not so much an either/or as it is a too much socialism vs. wanting more socialism. For the hard left, it was a chance for a big leap toward a socialist state instead of the slower, incremental shifting toward the Hobbesian Leviathan that has been occuring almost from the nation's beginning. The financial "crisis," the climate change conference, and the health care bill were massive opportunities to reinterpret/change the Constitution as granting positive powers to the State to DO for us as a group rather than only being a list of prohibitions of what it CANNOT DO against us as individuals, as well as opportunities to redistribute wealth from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

But, incremental steps in a socialist direction have been taken. That's why there is displeasure on both sides.