Health insurance

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

As a business owner, I'm prepping ourselves to bend over, grab the ankles and take it like a prison inmate.

and you'll be getting exactly what you voted for...he warned you and you didn't listen....... Hope and Change

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

and you'll be getting exactly what you voted for...he warned you and you didn't listen....... Hope and Change

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

Johhny, this is not Obama's bill, per se. It's his forcing something through so he has one accomplishment to hang his hat on after a year in office. It's sad how he had to use threats and scare tactics just so he could claim that one of his campaign promises was kept after a year. I can't wait to hear him proclaim success with a plan that most Americans want nothing to do with.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Johhny, this is not Obama's bill, per se. It's his forcing something through so he has one accomplishment to hang his hat on after a year in office. It's sad how he had to use threats and scare tactics just so he could claim that one of his campaign promises was kept after a year. I can't wait to hear him proclaim success with a plan that most Americans want nothing to do with.

You're right. When the bill passes and he signs it, then signing off on it is completely on his shoulders, as is his current campaigning for it. However, many portray this entire situation as though Obama has sat down and written every nonsense clause in the bill and has personal ownership over the contents, which isn't the case at all - the idiots in the House and Senate hold that responsibility.

In the end, it's just easier for people to bitch about Obama and state the contents of the bill are completely his fault then doing a some research into who has been pushing which sections, who is requiring earmarks for their vote, who is for or against the abortion sections, or who's for the public-option.

I agree that he should be criticized about his blind support for the bill, but this isn't "Obama's Bill" as people here (and Obama himself) often portray it as. People tend to forget that we have a Legislative branch of government that does the legislating.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I agree that he should be criticized about his blind support for the bill, but this isn't "Obama's Bill" as people here (and Obama himself) often portray it as. People tend to forget that we have a Legislative branch of government that does the legislating.

I would call, it an "Obama, Pelosi, Reid Bill" as they are the main players,
the ones filling the back rooms with deals,with some calling it bribes and threats to get it passed.
I don't call that legislating, and certainly not representing the will of the American people.

But in the end Obama owns it, as it was his campaign promise to get one passed.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

Obama says he's getting 95% of what he wanted in the bill, one of you is lying...

"Obama said the Senate legislation accomplishes 95 percent of what he wanted on health care. "Every single criteria for reform I put forward is in this bill," the president said in an interview with The Washington Post."

there's that pesky number again 95%.....


again...let me be clear ... EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA FOR REFORM I PUT FORWARD IS IN THIS BILL....

QUOTE justplugit:
"I would call, it an "Obama, Pelosi, Reid Bill" as they are the main players"

I believe we have a new Axis of Evil

[TheSpecialist]

No matter he is a one term wonder, and then when a republican gets voted in the short sighted will just blame the republicans for the bad health care plan.