heres the absolute bull$hit !

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

whats funny is morons like you thought Obama was goign to change things. Whats even funnier is that hes telling us he wants to reduce the deficit yet they'll pack the bill full of pork! remember no earmarks!!!

We'll see if the 2011 budget contains any earmarks, the 2010 budget was already in play when he took office.

And thanks to Obama I'm going to see a $2500 tax credit for my step-son's college tuition this year and next.

Gotta love it when the POTUS listens to the people and gives them back their hard earned money to invest as they see fit.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

We'll see if the 2011 budget contains any earmarks, the 2010 budget was already in play when he took office.

And thanks to Obama I'm going to see a $2500 tax credit for my step-son's college tuition this year and next.

Gotta love it when the POTUS listens to the people and gives them back their hard earned money to invest as they see fit.

-spence

How does giving you a $2500 tax credit for your step-son's tuition make happy the vast majority of those who don't have a child in college, or who payed for tuition previously? Selective redistribution of tax money for a few at the expense of others, like cash for clunkers, college tuition credits, free college . . .just pisses off those who have to pay for the goodies. How about giving back EVERYBODY'S hard earned money. Better yet, how about not taking so much of it away in the first place.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by detbuch

How does giving you a $2500 tax credit for your step-son's tuition make happy the vast majority of those who don't have a child in college, or who payed for tuition previously? Selective redistribution of tax money for a few at the expense of others, like cash for clunkers, college tuition credits, free college . . .just pisses off those who have to pay for the goodies. How about giving back EVERYBODY'S hard earned money. Better yet, how about not taking so much of it away in the first place.

And i pay for my son's tution because of some silly law 'the anti-aid' law passed in this fine state in 1847 by the 'no-name' party!
can't even get a friggin voucher system in this country for education of choice.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

How does giving you a $2500 tax credit for your step-son's tuition make happy the vast majority of those who don't have a child in college, or who payed for tuition previously? Selective redistribution of tax money for a few at the expense of others, like cash for clunkers, college tuition credits, free college . . .just pisses off those who have to pay for the goodies. How about giving back EVERYBODY'S hard earned money. Better yet, how about not taking so much of it away in the first place.

Nice, so education is = a shiny new car?

That's a stretch. Personally I'm all for Government assistance to help with education.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Nice, so education is = a shiny new car?

That's a stretch. Personally I'm all for Government assistance to help with education.

-spence

Actually, making "education" another one of those many select goodies to help a small slice of the population at the expense of the rest does make it, in that sense, equal to a shiny new car. Tuition help for you (at the expense of the rest), a shiny new car for him (at the expense of the rest), an abortion for her (at the expense of the rest), etc., etc., etc. . . . . And the votes come rolling in from those who want their drip from the public tit.

Whenever the Government "assists" anything, it magically becomes more expensive, therefore becoming more in need of assistance, hence, again, becoming even more expensive, and, thereby, becoming even more in need of assistance, and so on. Not to mention how the Government, then, gradually becomes the director and controller. The Government "investment" in education in the past half century has spawned a very expensive education industry that spits out less educated, more needy and helpless tit suckers, so that the Government has needed to "assist" the abortion industry to keep that unsustainable portion of the population to a barely sustainable number of voters who keep the program going.

How's that for "nice."

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Actually, making "education" another one of those many select goodies to help a small slice of the population at the expense of the rest does make it, in that sense, equal to a shiny new car. Tuition help for you (at the expense of the rest), a shiny new car for him (at the expense of the rest), an abortion for her (at the expense of the rest), etc., etc., etc. . . . . And the votes come rolling in from those who want their drip from the public tit.

Whenever the Government "assists" anything, it magically becomes more expensive, therefore becoming more in need of assistance, hence, again, becoming even more expensive, and, thereby, becoming even more in need of assistance, and so on. Not to mention how the Government, then, gradually becomes the director and controller. The Government "investment" in education in the past half century has spawned a very expensive education industry that spits out less educated, more needy and helpless tit suckers, so that the Government has needed to "assist" the abortion industry to keep that unsustainable portion of the population to a barely sustainable number of voters who keep the program going.

How's that for "nice."

It's quite a handsome little rant.

Unfortunately there's this thing called reality...The US higher educational system you so despise is also regarded as the finest in the world.

I'm not sure how many abortions it takes to keep this radical educational enterprise humming along, but I'll bet it's less than the number of taxpayer subsidized cars purchased every year.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

It's quite a handsome little rant.

Unfortunately there's this thing called reality...The US higher educational system you so despise is also regarded as the finest in the world.

I'm not sure how many abortions it takes to keep this radical educational enterprise humming along, but I'll bet it's less than the number of taxpayer subsidized cars purchased every year.

-spence

US higher education has been regarded among the best in the world for a long time--long before it became a "system" that tries to squeeze into it thousands of "students" that are not interested, nor major in those disciplines that make our universities and colleges "fine." Our universities were regarded as among the finest before our Federal Government began to massively invest in them. They were considered among the finest when they were relatively affordable for those who were truly interested in a "fine" education and were willing to sacrifice a bit of time and money to acquire it. Our higher education was considered among the finest when university and college administrations were willing to operate more as businesses who would charge market affordable rates and pay market sustainable salaries rather than basing their rates on a willing and seemingly bottomless Government pocket. Government "investment" in education has not made it finer. It has just made it more expensive.

Your being "all for Government assistance in education" is being all for making education ever more expensive and endlessly requiring Government assistance.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

US higher education has been regarded among the best in the world for a long time--long before it became a "system" that tries to squeeze into it thousands of "students" that are not interested, nor major in those disciplines that make our universities and colleges "fine." Our universities were regarded as among the finest before our Federal Government began to massively invest in them. They were considered among the finest when they were relatively affordable for those who were truly interested in a "fine" education and were willing to sacrifice a bit of time and money to acquire it. Our higher education was considered among the finest when university and college administrations were willing to operate more as businesses who would charge market affordable rates and pay market sustainable salaries rather than basing their rates on a willing and seemingly bottomless Government pocket. Government "investment" in education has not made it finer. It has just made it more expensive.

This isn't really true.

Without Federal assistance to create land grand universities we probably wouldn't have the system we do today. I think this started back in the 19th century (I went to Iowa State, one of the big ones) so I'm not sure who the system was catering to before then aside from perhaps the upper crust.

Your being "all for Government assistance in education" is being all for making education ever more expensive and endlessly requiring Government assistance.

Perhaps the better solution is a taxpayer funded "public option" to compete with those over priced private institutions

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure how many abortions it takes to keep this radical educational enterprise humming along, but I'll bet it's less than the number of taxpayer subsidized cars purchased every year.

-spence

The education industry to which I referred was not simply higher education. It also encompasses K-12. It is the huge Government investment in that portion that has made it labor intensive as opposed to service oriented. And with the monetary investment, of course, came the directives of what and how to teach. I don't think that our lower education is considered to be the finest in the world. Actually, it has been losing the prestige it had before the big government "assistance."

And this K-12 is the portion that spits out the less educated, less ready for higher ed., less prepared for an independant, unassisted life.

Federally assisted abortion doesn't keep the education system humming along, it helps to keep down the amount of those that the Government has to "assist"--especially the poorly educated and poorly prepared for an independant life. There is a limit to how many unproductive people that a "village" can sustain.

And, the more you assist poor education, poor preparation, and the expectation that big mama Guv will provide, the more you encourage it. I can see why the Guv wants to keep Federally paid abortion in the health "care" bill.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

Gotta love it when the POTUS listens to the people and gives them back their hard earned money to invest as they see fit.

-spence

I don't have a child or step child in college. Do I still get money? Funny that you say he's listening to the people because most people don't want this porky pig health care legislation passed.

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I don't have a child or step child in college. Do I still get money?

It takes a village.

This money is going right back towards his education, to help build a stronger country.

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

It takes a village.

This money is going right back towards his education, to help build a stronger country.

-spence

Be honest, Spence. How much of that money are you taking out to buy yourself a new European carryall?

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Be honest, Spence. How much of that money are you taking out to buy yourself a new European carryall?

I already have two nice weekend bags and can't seem to justify a third.

Besides, he really needs the money.

-spence