Team S-B Striper Cup Plea - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Doublerunner · 03-26-2010, 07:05 AM

I know this won't be a popular post here but I do hate tournaments such as this. Unless the tournament is strictly catch and release with penalties against killed fish then these things have the potential to bring out the worst in some. I know there are many fine fishermen and people on this site and others that participate in this tournament and others. And not everyone will abandon their principles for the sake of a tournament. But some do. And in a time when the viability of the stock is in doubt as to it's future then perhaps it may be best to forego the tournaments and just fish for the enjoyment.

I am fairly new to this and so perhaps I take a different view than some and this post is not intended to piss any one off. We all have the right to enjoy fishing in a manner that pleases ourselves and so long as it's within the laws then so be it. But please consider your actions and don't let things get out of hand.

I do believe that one of your own that has passed away recently was dead set against tournaments. I know it's a personal choice and for that reason I won't participate in any tournament unless it's strictly catch and release. But that's my choice. If you choose to kill every fish you catch then that's your choice. I just hope you won't and will consider more important things than stroking your ego or winning a tournament. Not saying that's why you all do it. Many times it's just the comaraderie that comes along with it and that part is great. Let's just be careful out there and not get too carried away.

Are there really teams that get paid to fish in a tournament like this?

JohnR · 03-26-2010, 07:21 AM

DR - I understand your sentiment. If ASMFC considers S-B in trouble, we will certainly revisit this. They don't. We need numbers.

As for the tournament, 95% of us are 99% Catch & Release. I don't think the net effect of this tournament is greater than 2-3 hot days days at any prime spot: Scortons, Providence, Canal, Jersey Beach, Block, etc...

Doublerunner · 03-26-2010, 03:10 PM

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DR - I understand your sentiment. If ASMFC considers S-B in trouble, we will certainly revisit this. They don't. We need numbers.

As for the tournament, 95% of us are 99% Catch & Release. I don't think the net effect of this tournament is greater than 2-3 hot days days at any prime spot: Scortons, Providence, Canal, Jersey Beach, Block, etc...

John I have lurked here for quite a while and have read many of your posts. I respect you and your knowledge of the sport. I personally would not just base my thoughts on the fishery as a whole based on the ASMFC. Think about your catches over the last 5 years and those numbers. If they are consistent with most people I have talked to then the numbers are down in quantity and quality. Also the YOY index has not had it's usual spike upwards that it registers every 4-5 years and is overdue. That along with the bigger dead zones we are seeing along the coasts and the taking of Menhaden and all the by catch concerns. Well it just seems to me the pressure on the fishery is unsustainable. And tournaments add to that pressure. Again, I know there are many fine upstanding members here and elsewhere but if we're killing 35# + fish for the sake of winning a tournament then in these times I feel that is wrong. We don't need to eat that fish nor do we need that fish to pad our ego. I'd say that fish would be more productive alive and able to still breed. Again that is just my opinion and why I don't endorse tournaments. If we all took less then there would be more in the future. Not everyone looks at it that way and I believe tournaments can bring out the worst in some

Anyways just because this is not for me does not mean it is not for everyone. Good luck and I hope everyone who does participate enjoys themselves responsibly

chrisjoe13 · 03-26-2010, 07:50 AM

[QUOTE=Doublerunner;757017]I know this won't be a popular post here but I do hate tournaments such as this. Unless the tournament is strictly catch and release with penalties against killed fish then these things have the potential to bring out the worst in some. I know there are many fine fishermen and people on this site and others that participate in this tournament and others. And not everyone will abandon their principles for the sake of a tournament. But some do. And in a time when the viability of the stock is in doubt as to it's future then perhaps it may be best to forego the tournaments and just fish for the enjoyment.

Last year there were over 3000 anglers entered and on average, fewer than 30 fish per week were weighed in. (from On The Water April 2010)

That doesn't seem that bad to me.

CowHunter · 03-26-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Doublerunner

I know this won't be a popular post here but I do hate tournaments such as this. Unless the tournament is strictly catch and release with penalties against killed fish then these things have the potential to bring out the worst in some. I know there are many fine fishermen and people on this site and others that participate in this tournament and others. And not everyone will abandon their principles for the sake of a tournament. But some do. And in a time when the viability of the stock is in doubt as to it's future then perhaps it may be best to forego the tournaments and just fish for the enjoyment.

I am fairly new to this and so perhaps I take a different view than some and this post is not intended to piss any one off. We all have the right to enjoy fishing in a manner that pleases ourselves and so long as it's within the laws then so be it. But please consider your actions and don't let things get out of hand.

I do believe that one of your own that has passed away recently was dead set against tournaments. I know it's a personal choice and for that reason I won't participate in any tournament unless it's strictly catch and release. But that's my choice. If you choose to kill every fish you catch then that's your choice. I just hope you won't and will consider more important things than stroking your ego or winning a tournament. Not saying that's why you all do it. Many times it's just the comaraderie that comes along with it and that part is great. Let's just be careful out there and not get too carried away.

Are there really teams that get paid to fish in a tournament like this?

"Team Striper Pro's" are only paid proffesionals from the rumors I hear... But hell, so many rumors I dont know whats true anymore...

Back Beach · 03-26-2010, 08:40 AM

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so many rumors I dont know whats true anymore...

I hear there's a guy on Team Real Deal with a funny green bike and an even funnier green rod...

I tried my best to recruit him for S-B but he wouldn't budge...gotta admire his loyalty.

WESTPORTMAFIA · 03-26-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Doublerunner

I know this won't be a popular post here but I do hate tournaments such as this. Unless the tournament is strictly catch and release with penalties against killed fish then these things have the potential to bring out the worst in some. I know there are many fine fishermen and people on this site and others that participate in this tournament and others. And not everyone will abandon their principles for the sake of a tournament. But some do. And in a time when the viability of the stock is in doubt as to it's future then perhaps it may be best to forego the tournaments and just fish for the enjoyment.

I am fairly new to this and so perhaps I take a different view than some and this post is not intended to piss any one off. We all have the right to enjoy fishing in a manner that pleases ourselves and so long as it's within the laws then so be it. But please consider your actions and don't let things get out of hand.

I do believe that one of your own that has passed away recently was dead set against tournaments. I know it's a personal choice and for that reason I won't participate in any tournament unless it's strictly catch and release. But that's my choice. If you choose to kill every fish you catch then that's your choice. I just hope you won't and will consider more important things than stroking your ego or winning a tournament. Not saying that's why you all do it. Many times it's just the comaraderie that comes along with it and that part is great. Let's just be careful out there and not get too carried away.

Are there really teams that get paid to fish in a tournament like this?

John these guys here are not the white bucket gang you need to worry about keeping all of the fish they catch. They are top notch fisherman. They do not kill all the fish they catch in fact I don't think anyone will be weighing fish in under 35lbs for the cup. Preaching is for church or maybe the political foum.

Doublerunner · 03-26-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

John these guys here are not the white bucket gang you need to worry about keeping all of the fish they catch. They are top notch fisherman. They do not kill all the fish they catch in fact I don't think anyone will be weighing fish in under 35lbs for the cup. Preaching is for church or maybe the political foum.

Do I know you???

Well so long as you only kill fish over 35 pounds then I guess that makes it alright....

WESTPORTMAFIA · 03-26-2010, 03:31 PM

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Do I know you???

Well so long as you only kill fish over 35 pounds then I guess that makes it alright....

I easily caught over 100 fish last year that were legal to keep. I kept maybe 6 of them. Your way off topic and shouldn't have posted this save the stripers in this thread. I know guys last year in your conservation group that caught alot less fish than I did and kept more of them. The thread wasn't labeled. How do you feel about fish or how do you feel about tourneys. Lets get it back on track. Do I know you? Come on dude

CowHunter · 03-26-2010, 04:02 PM

Common Guys, Dont you know Mass Commercial guys are killing all the bass!!!!

Doublerunner · 03-26-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

I easily caught over 100 fish last year that were legal to keep. I kept maybe 6 of them. Your way off topic and shouldn't have posted this save the stripers in this thread. I know guys last year in your conservation group that caught alot less fish than I did and kept more of them. The thread wasn't labeled. How do you feel about fish or how do you feel about tourneys. Lets get it back on track. Do I know you? Come on dude

Again I will say that just because one person keeps many fish does not make it alright for everyone else to use that excuse. Last year of all the guys I fished with I saw a total of 4 fish kept. Were there more? Of course. Again I will not use that as an excuse to keep what I want

I was trying to be polite and keep this on track but just presenting my feelings. You don't have to agree but no need to hammer me either. To all of you that do participate...good luck and be safe

chefchris401 · 03-26-2010, 04:25 PM

OK back to the topic here.

Team Striped-Bass

Is there a limit on club size?

How does the catch and release work towards the points?

Sorry I just havent had time to read thru all the On the water stuff.

Ive never done any tournament due to my lack of time for the designated spots, like the habs or korkers cup etc. My availibilty sucks due to work but seeing this is 5 months long and I fish alot just not on the weekends for the most part, seems like something worth trying out.

Ive meet some great people here and hoping to build stronger friendships with those people and fish some new spots and learn new some new techinques and what not.

Im a huge fan of this forum and its members, I dont post on everything I see and keep my opinions to myself for the most part, but I think this is a great way to make some new friends and just get out and fish.

JohnR · 03-26-2010, 04:37 PM

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Is there a limit on club size?

How does the catch and release work towards the points?

Chris - no real limit on size. My impression I got talking to some OTW folks was that we were midsized in number of participants with one club having twice as many entered as S-B.

C&R does not count towards team standings. Wish it did but enforcement would be difficult at best.

JohnR · 03-26-2010, 04:31 PM

Guys, move the fisheries management discussions into another thread please. We have and have had plenty opportunities to hash this out. Believe me, I'm all for reducing the pressure on the fish. This thread is for signing up for the cup.

As for Team S-B's participation in the Striper Cup, that is based on the numbers provided by ASMFC. If those numbers drop or tank I can assure you we'll take a hard look as to whether or not we participate.

DR - as or my years, I've had my best in a while season before last. Last year was mediocre. One cannot judge a season by a handful of locations. That's why the overall ASMFC numbers, as loosely consistent as they may be, are what we need to go by.

5/0 · 03-26-2010, 04:37 PM