Arizona alien law will hold....

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

For many people that's not really the point. I think most Americans support enforcement of our immigration laws and don't think rampant illegal immigration is a good thing. Most would think the Federal government needs to do more.

The issue is, should the burden of immigration law be shifted to the states who are then given legal authority to profile people in the US?

This is a bad idea IMHO. If I was a perfectly legal Hispanic US citizen in Arizona I'd be paranoid as hell the police were watching me.

The police are either going to take a ton of heat for profiling (and harassing) US citizens, or they're going to be gun shy and the bill won't help anyway.

Best case is this bill get's killed and triggers some bi-partisan action in Congress.

The bill as-is certainly doesn't reflect what I thought made American special.

-spence

a perfect trail of intelligent posts followed by an articulate moronic response by "you know who"
So Arizona, a state with millions of Hispanic citizens is suddenly going to be plunged into a police state as Hispanic citizens are coralled into lines to prove their citizenship....
Will it be Carlos in his Toyota Camry dropping off his kids on the way to school?
Jorge in his UPS truck? Maria selling girl scout cookies? Or Father Juan at St Mary's ?
OR maybe, just maybe common sense will prevail.......will it be the nameless guys standing on the corner at 7:30 am looking for day labor work?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

a perfect trail of intelligent posts followed by an articulate moronic response by "you know who"
So Arizona, a state with millions of Hispanic citizens is suddenly going to be plunged into a police state as Hispanic citizens are coralled into lines to prove their citizenship....
Will it be Carlos in his Toyota Camry dropping off his kids on the way to school?
Jorge in his UPS truck? Maria selling girl scout cookies? Or Father Juan at St Mary's ?
OR maybe, just maybe common sense will prevail.......will it be the nameless guys standing on the corner at 7:30 am looking for day labor work?

There were 5 standing infront of Riverhead Building Supply this morning.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

There were 5 standing infront of Riverhead Building Supply this morning.

and if they are citizens or legal aliens, god bless them, I hope they find work, if not, ship 'em home. There is no room at the inn.

[Nebe]

[likwid]

Then walking back to the car I almost get hit by a crappy little toyota pickup with Illinois plates.

Illinois?
Really?

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

a perfect trail of intelligent posts followed by an articulate moronic response by "you know who"
So Arizona, a state with millions of Hispanic citizens is suddenly going to be plunged into a police state as Hispanic citizens are coralled into lines to prove their citizenship....
Will it be Carlos in his Toyota Camry dropping off his kids on the way to school?
Jorge in his UPS truck? Maria selling girl scout cookies? Or Father Juan at St Mary's ?
OR maybe, just maybe common sense will prevail.......will it be the nameless guys standing on the corner at 7:30 am looking for day labor work?

I guess I might be a bit offended if your accusation wasn't so clumsy.

What's funny is that there are two very appropriate anecdotes from the Arizona border with Mexico, and the Sheriff's who preside over these counties.

One has come out with strong words that the original bill is racist and will absolutely encourage racial profiling.

The other is known for using strong tactics himself, and is the recipient of numerous accusations of racial profiling.

Not to mention that immigration is generally a Federal issue. How quickly they caved on amending the bill is a pretty good indicator of where they think they stood.

More fodder for real Federal reform.

-spence