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JohnnyD · 08-15-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

I really believe that even if you did get rid of the Comm fishing in Mass and RI the combined 1.3 million pounds will not make a difference. I know many will disagree....

I disagree mostly because you aren't including the copious amounts of poaching in that number.

CowHunter · 08-15-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I disagree mostly because you aren't including the copious amounts of poaching in that number.

You guys are making a big deal over the poaching that is going on during the mass and Ri commercial season. What you fail to understand is that it still goes towards the quota which gets shut down in Ma at 1.1 million pounds. And in Ri on their spring and fall quota which is what, 100k or so? Fish are swapped Ma, Ri and so on. How many of the best comm guys u see out there fishing bass when the season is closed??? The bigger problem lies in rec guys going out 1, 2 plus times a day keeping their 2 fish each and selling them black market, nobody is counting those fish and that is going on in quite a few states where the black market is huge. Forget about nc and Va, those southern boys make the northern poachers look like amatures, they use gill nets, drag Em, haul seign Em and don't give a rats as about being legal on the water... They also poAch the eez zone without a care in the world.. All the hard core rec guys that want 2 at 28 inches promote poaching the wAy I see it. I only kill for myself what I am going to eat fresh not freeze when I'm not com fishing or doing charters. On the charters guys don't care what the limit is because they are going to kill the limit regardless.... This time around the rec guys can blame the comm guys, but in the end, it's the rec guys killing well over 90percent of the striped bass kill... Is what it is...
Johnny, rec guys, kinda like ur teapot to kettle pic???
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afterhours · 08-15-2010, 01:21 PM

sure seems like if it was'nt for the $$$ tag on them alot of problems would'nt exist....

JohnnyD · 08-15-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Johnny, rec guys, kinda like ur teapot to kettle pic???
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Going strictly from what I've experienced, almost every single commercial fisherman I have met has "issues with counting". That's not to say that all of them break the law, and the ones I've met are a small sample size. There is no denying that not all the fish that are caught on a commercial license are sold legally.

With regards to rec guys making 1 or 2+ trips a day and getting their 2 fish each time, I've never witnessed it - I'm sure some people do. I'd be curious to see *any* report that shows the recreation kill is "90percent of the striped bass kill".

In terms of me keeping fish, I've kept one this year and it was for my girl's mother.

In case you didn't get the teapot and kettle picture I posted, it was with regards to how you talk out of both side of your mouth. In one moment you complain about how many fish are killed and by whom, and in the next you're posting pictures of 50lbers killed and boasting about your 20 fish days.

I may disagree with Raider Ronnie on a pretty consistent basis, but at least he has enough balls to pick his side and stick with it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think too many fish are being killed then put your money where your mouth is and stop chartering and give up your commercial permit, otherwise quit bitching about how many fish are killed and by whom.

CowHunter · 08-15-2010, 03:33 PM

In no way am I complaining, just stating facts and experiences... I'm not going to stop chartering because it's killing bass, the law allows 2 fish a man, my clients want two fish so be it. I am stating that it is not necesary to have a 2 a man limit that clients merely kill two fish because the law allows it if the law allowed 1 fish a man they would be just as happy. As for the commercial season, I will fish it as long as it exists because the quota will get filled with or without me, yes I can live without it. I just don't think u guys realize how many guys do it, that's why u only have 5 guys a day going to this meeting... Yes raider Ronnie is strictly diehard com / charter guy... U do have to realize that charter guys are taking rec guys out fishing and charters are responsible for more rec kill than anyone else up the coast... Just because I am stating Facts, wether people like to hear it or not, there ate several states affecting the fishery not just Boston harbor or stellwagon... I'm sorry if I com fish, charter, and surf / rec fish, but I do it all and nobody has a right to tell me to pick a side or stop doing it cause it might be harming the fishery and so on, I am far from being blind as to what's going on. Ive fished on all sides.. I am telling you as a charter captain, the rec catch is way to high and way out of balance.
Again just because I dont agree with raising the com quota, in all honesty, On paper they deserve to raise the com quota to balance out the com vs recreational catch.... And yes, I truly believe the rec catch is 90% or better... I believe even the NOAA conservatively agrees with me by the look of their graphs...
For christ sake, we are comparing people running meth labs as equivelent to poachers. JohnnyD made a comment about Big oil preventing alternative energy... Well it is in their best interest... Is it any different than diehard rec guys or diehard comm guys wanting the fishery for themselves?????

Fly Rod · 08-15-2010, 04:09 PM

If you want to read what the estimated recreational striped bass mortality rate is click below. If the fishery was going to collaspe it may be because of the recreational fisher person.

Catch And Release For Stripers

CowHunter · 08-15-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fly Rod

If you want to read what the estimated recreational striped bass mortality rate is click below. If the fishery was going to collaspe it may be because of the recreational fisher person.

Catch And Release For Stripers

That is all Im saying, You cant blame the comm guys this time around with less than 10% of the catch... Although I do believe we are a ways away from any collapse, plenty of fish still around, some of us have been extremely spoiled over the last few years...

CowHunter · 08-15-2010, 04:45 PM

With regards to rec guys making 1 or 2+ trips a day and getting their 2 fish each time, I've never witnessed it - I'm sure some people do. I'd be curious to see *any* report that shows the recreation kill is "90percent of the striped bass kill".

If you saw what went on the last few years you would probably cry... The poaching was so bad that they flooded the market... There was several hundred LBS of dead bass floating in a harbor at one time because they couldnt get rid of the fish because black market was flooded... The blind eyes just thought of it as a fish kill... I cant tell you how often it happens, every single day, over and over...

http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/sos/spsyn/...es/fig40_2.gif

Just look at the NOAA chart, what say do recs have about not raising the Comm catch???