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Old 08-17-2010, 09:09 AM   #1
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no arguement here
I personally would be fine if striped bass was catch and release.

I guess nobody in power sees that the bass are on the brink of decline, and they are willing to wait until they are over the edge to do something about it. That is what I don't understand. Between bycatch,seals, polution and disease etc. the bass need less pressure not more.
The mentality of ASMFC that I've always had and was re-enforced by the meeting last night is that they take a position of "our data does not show the striped bass is at an unrecoverable level so the harvest can be increased." There is no conservative approach to how they manage - if the data they have at this very moment doesn't show the bass at a trigger point or critical level (regardless of known mortality that isn't included in that data and would increase their reported mortality), then harvest can be increased.

One thing that irked me a little was the ASMFC Vision printed on the front page of the packet: "ASMFC Vision: Healthy, self-sustaining populations of all Atlantic coast fish species or successful restoration well in progress by the year 2015."
With all the data trending downward even before major mortality factors like poaching and myco are considered, even holding these meetings seems to be a huge contradiction of that Vision Statement.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:51 AM   #2
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Should be noted that many on the ASMFC striper board are totally against this measure and have strongly supported a much more conservative approach. Ritchie White, the New Hampshire representative has been a very strong supporter of taking more conservative action. So I wouldn't pile them all in one heap. We should be recognizing and supporting these representative and looking to remove ones like the New York member who pushed for this change.
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Old 08-17-2010, 02:43 PM   #3
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I'll be at the RI meeting tonight as well. If any of you are going who weren't at the MA meeting last night, please take a moment to read through my synopsis of last night's meeting in preparation.

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Old 08-17-2010, 03:55 PM   #4
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Look--the managers are doing nothing but adhere to the management standards that have applied since the bass were declared to be fully recovered.

And that is to manage it on the basis of allowing "maximum sustainable yield". With a target mortality of F = .30, whatever that means in terms of mortality numbers.

That's the mandate that ASMFC has, and that's the way the law mandates that it has to be managed.

Nobody cares about bycatch, nobody cares about disease mortality, and noboody cares about predation.

That is the hard and fast reality.

Mortality restrictions have to come from above. The management philosophy has to change.

If that makes these meetings just a dog and pony show, with the outcome pre-ordained, well, that's the way it is.

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Old 08-17-2010, 04:06 PM   #5
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OK Mike
so maybe it's time for change

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Old 08-18-2010, 11:56 AM   #6
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OK Mike
so maybe it's time for change
Of course it's time for a change--but change has to start at the elected official level, because the bureaucrats and hacks aren't going to cut it.

Here's the real problem---numbers. Do you think that people like Barney Frank, and Bill Delahunt, Congressmen from districts with large commercial fishing interests in their constituency, have any freaking clue as to how many recreational fishermen there are in Massachusetts? Or any of the 4 people vying for Delahunt's seat in November. Maybe Jeff Perry might have somewhat of an idea. But they don't know our numbers. They see 30-odd people show up for a hearing, when there should be 350. They have no idea whether there are 3500, 35,000 or 350,000 recreational salt water anglers in the Commonwealth, or whether it's 3.5 million or 35 million nationwide.

I have to laugh. All year long I've heard a lot of you guys piss and moan about the SW license. Complaining about a "new fishing tax", vowing that you'll thumb the nose at the law, saying you'll refuse to put your name in the Federal registry. All over a lousy $10 license--less than the cost of two jigs or an 8 pack of Sluggos. One main objective of the Registry--perhaps its main aim--is to put a number on the noses of fishermen. The one effing thing that politicians know how to do is count noses, as noses = votes. They know how many commercial licenses are in existence, and they sure know how many dollars commercial interests donate to their PAC. They have no idea how many of us are out there, and how many voters they're pissing off by catering to the commercial interests. Yet, when we finally have a means to achieve that, all that many of you have done is bitch about it.

The fact of the matter is that recreational fishermen call the shots in a lot of the states that have existing SW licenses. Redfish are gamefish in every Gulf state and in Florida. Take Florida for example. FCA, the Florida Conservation Assn, is largely responsible for gamefish status for reds and snook. They achieved this with the power of numbers. If you think that Beacon Hill is a hackarama, the back rooms of Tallahassee make the hacks in Boston look like rank amateurs at the corruption game. Once the hacks in Florida saw how many people--voters--held a SW license, things started to change. And then FCA did something else. Again, backed by the power of numbers, they were able to put a question on the general election ballot amending the state constitution to ban inshore netting. That question passed by a vote of 72%. That took away the power of the backroom deal makers to gut any legislative net ban--it's now part of the state constitution, and can't ever be repealed except by another general election question that passes.

We can keep on being unrepresented, or we can put the power of numbers to work to effect changes. But, by all means, keep on bitching about having to fork over the outrageous sum of $10 to maybe get them to look at us as more than just a bunch of Joe Sixpacks with a white bucket who fish maybe 2-3 times a year on our 2 week vacations.

The other problem is that we're worse than disorganized. We're infighting amonst ourselves. The major groups that supposedly speak for us, RFA and CCA, are more interested in fighting between themselves than in speaking with one voice on behalf of recreational anglers. The commercial organizations speak as one. We backstab each other to be the alpha male of the pack. That's why I don't give any money to either group.

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Old 08-18-2010, 12:14 PM   #7
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good post

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