this mosque thing is blowin up for Barry

[RIROCKHOUND]

Is it what he said? or just the "Gotcha" media on both sides.

I agree 100% with him on this one.

My two points on this:
1. It is not at 'Ground Zero' it is actually several blocks away. Newt et al., make it sound like it is being rebuilt as tower #2!

2. As one of the 9/11 victims husbands put it (paraphrasing), ...the day we start compromising our ideals as a nation, one of them being religious freedom, then the terrorists who carried out those horrific acts have won.

Whether I agree or not with this being a perfect site, I love that we live in a country where people are free to do what is their right to do.

[Fly Rod]

As he keeps P-ing off more and more Americans his credibility gets weaker, his favorable % drops more and now the Gop has a better chance of winning both the house and senate. All we need now is for Biden to add his two cents.

And now Reid is trying to do damage control, but the fire door is jambed in the open position and he is not using the right retardant.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Aand now the Gop has a better chance of winning both the house and senate.

Except that 'Polls' which Spence doesn't believe in, suggest that the GOP's approval is lower then the Dem's in Congress now.

going to be an interesting 2010

[FishermanTim]

I heard someone, a caller to a talk radio program, give a valid suggestion.
They said "Why not have a Multi-faith center at that site?"
It would allow ALL religions equal access with no one being dominant or favored.

Although the proposed site is 2 blocks away from "ground Zero" it is more a question of sesitivity of the topic. Would it be any more favorable to build a Neo-Nazi museum anywhere near the Holocaust Memorial? No, it would be considered a bad choice because of the emotions attached to the history of the events.
The same could be said regarding the mosque location.

Once again it's more a case, I believe, of poor judgement.
It sounds more and more like the all out selling of America to appease "the terrorist" of the world. You know, an amped up version of the "Can't we all get along/Kumbaya/I love you, you love me." rationalization. Instead of standing for something, we appear to be falling for everything!

And that's just not right!

[spence]

Originally Posted by FishermanTim

I heard someone, a caller to a talk radio program, give a valid suggestion.
They said "Why not have a Multi-faith center at that site?"
It would allow ALL religions equal access with no one being dominant or favored.

Good idea, I'm going to suggest this to the Catholic church down the street from my house. Last time I checked my Episcopal upbringing wasn't good enough to take communion at their alter...

Although the proposed site is 2 blocks away from "ground Zero" it is more a question of sesitivity of the topic. Would it be any more favorable to build a Neo-Nazi museum anywhere near the Holocaust Memorial? No, it would be considered a bad choice because of the emotions attached to the history of the events.
The same could be said regarding the mosque location.

This would be a valid argument had the proposal been for a "terrorist recruitment and training center" rather than an Islamic center to provide facilities for recreation and prayer for Muslims.

Serious question. Do you just think all Muslims are terrorists in waiting or are you just not that bright? I don't think that's the case...perhaps just too much FOX and Rush.

This applies to Buck as well.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Good idea, I'm going to suggest this to the Catholic church down the street from my house. Last time I checked my Episcopal upbringing wasn't good enough to take communion at their alter...


This would be a valid argument had the proposal been for a "terrorist recruitment and training center" rather than an Islamic center to provide facilities for recreation and prayer for Muslims.

Serious question. Do you just think all Muslims are terrorists in waiting or are you just not that bright? I don't think that's the case...perhaps just too much FOX and Rush.

This applies to Buck as well.

-spence

I don't think all Muslims are terrorist Spence...But all terrorist are Muslims. You throw the racist, bigot card around just like they taught you. FYI, one of my hunting/fishing buddies is Muslim and the principal of the local Muslim school . My boy goes to the gun club with him often. He thinks it's the wrong place to build it too.
Bottom line. Talking points or not...facts are facts.
Why build it there?????
I guess your the bright bulb on the political forum. We are all better for your wisdom.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by buckman

But all terrorist are Muslims.

What about the IRA?

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I don't think all Muslims are terrorist Spence...But all terrorist are Muslims.

This is only correct when one ignores history.

You throw the racist, bigot card around just like they taught you.

It's a simple question. Either you believe Constitutional rights apply to everyone equally or you think those Muslims might be up to something...

The only argument I could see is if the Imam leading the effort was a known terrorist sympathizer, but it looks like the opposite seems to be the case.

Bottom line. Talking points or not...facts are facts.

You haven't really stated any facts, aside that you know a Muslim guy who's against it and your kid shoots. Perhaps he's against it because he doesn't want the right wing pundits stirring up anti Islamic sentiment.

Why build it there?????
I guess your the bright bulb on the political forum. We are all better for your wisdom.

How many Muslims live and work in the City today? Did you ever think maybe they felt it was a good location for the people who would be going there? It was supposed to be a community center...think easy access...

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Is it what he said? or just the "Gotcha" media on both sides.

I agree 100% with him on this one.

My two points on this:
1. It is not at 'Ground Zero' it is actually several blocks away. Newt et al., make it sound like it is being rebuilt as tower #2!

2. As one of the 9/11 victims husbands put it (paraphrasing), ...the day we start compromising our ideals as a nation, one of them being religious freedom, then the terrorists who carried out those horrific acts have won.

Whether I agree or not with this being a perfect site, I love that we live in a country where people are free to do what is their right to do.

Bry - I agree with you......but - what Obama said seems like he is trying to pacify everyone and in the end, saying nothing. The polls show most are against the mosque, something like 70%. O says something, then restates it the next day. Almost to satisfy the population. This is consistent. Remember health care? the guy did roadshow after roadshow and still never got his message across. They need to polish their message.

[striperman36]

Even WSJ is on him now with their op-ed

[Raven]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

we live in a country where people are free to do what is their right to do.

yeah! so on the bottom floor we can have a medical marijuana Cafe
so everyone can chill out before going in to pray.