this mosque thing is blowin up for Barry

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Good idea, I'm going to suggest this to the Catholic church down the street from my house. Last time I checked my Episcopal upbringing wasn't good enough to take communion at their alter...


This would be a valid argument had the proposal been for a "terrorist recruitment and training center" rather than an Islamic center to provide facilities for recreation and prayer for Muslims.

Serious question. Do you just think all Muslims are terrorists in waiting or are you just not that bright? I don't think that's the case...perhaps just too much FOX and Rush.

This applies to Buck as well.

-spence

I don't think all Muslims are terrorist Spence...But all terrorist are Muslims. You throw the racist, bigot card around just like they taught you. FYI, one of my hunting/fishing buddies is Muslim and the principal of the local Muslim school . My boy goes to the gun club with him often. He thinks it's the wrong place to build it too.
Bottom line. Talking points or not...facts are facts.
Why build it there?????
I guess your the bright bulb on the political forum. We are all better for your wisdom.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by buckman

But all terrorist are Muslims.

What about the IRA?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

What about the IRA?

Are they trying to kill Americans now too???

[Raven]

Originally Posted by buckman

Are they trying to kill Americans now too???

a one bomb country

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by buckman

Are they trying to kill Americans now too???

Timothy McVeigh....

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Timothy McVeigh....

Dad - I'll get right to the point since there have been way too many battles on this with RIR, Spence and others on this over the years. Here it is -

If you get on a plane with your kids and there are 5 US army soliders (McVeigh was in the military), 5 Irish speaking guys, 5 Nuns or 5 men in islamic garb - tell me that you would have the same safety concerns regardless of the group? If you say yes, you are dumb.
I cant put it anymore straightforward than that.
I dont worry about sharks when I swim in a lake. My brain has evolved to be able to determine risk based on what I witness and the environment, Its why man is the top of the food chain. Ignoring the overwhelming evidence is counter to evolution.
If you entered the terrorist attack data over the last 50 years into a computer and computed the liklihood of "who" would be most likely to commit a terrorist act the data would be OVERWHELMING that it would be muslim. Facts are facts.

[The Dad Fisherman]

My point isn't that there are no such thing as Muslim Terrorists.

A statement was made that ALL terrorists are Muslim.....I simply wanted to point out that that is just not true. That was the extent of my point....nothing more, nothing less.

If the statement was made that the majority of terrorists are Muslim I wouldn't have said a word....because that, in this day and age, IS true.

I also have no issue with your post because, Sadly, I would give the Muslim guys a second look....I wouldn't be proud of the fact....but I would still do it.

Now in your same Scenario, what if it turned out that the 5 guys in Military garb (you really don't know that they are Army Soldiers) ended up blowing up something......but you didn't notice the signs or keep an eye on them because you were to busy keeping your eye on the Muslim guys.

Now if the beer was missing on the flight You'd better believe I would be all over those 5 Irish Guys....Bastards

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Dad - I'll get right to the point since there have been way too many battles on this with RIR, Spence and others on this over the years. Here it is -

If you get on a plane with your kids and there are 5 US army soliders (McVeigh was in the military), 5 Irish speaking guys, 5 Nuns or 5 men in islamic garb - tell me that you would have the same safety concerns regardless of the group? If you say yes, you are dumb.
I cant put it anymore straightforward than that.
I dont worry about sharks when I swim in a lake. My brain has evolved to be able to determine risk based on what I witness and the environment, Its why man is the top of the food chain. Ignoring the overwhelming evidence is counter to evolution.
If you entered the terrorist attack data over the last 50 years into a computer and computed the liklihood of "who" would be most likely to commit a terrorist act the data would be OVERWHELMING that it would be muslim. Facts are facts.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I don't think all Muslims are terrorist Spence...But all terrorist are Muslims.

This is only correct when one ignores history.

You throw the racist, bigot card around just like they taught you.

It's a simple question. Either you believe Constitutional rights apply to everyone equally or you think those Muslims might be up to something...

The only argument I could see is if the Imam leading the effort was a known terrorist sympathizer, but it looks like the opposite seems to be the case.

Bottom line. Talking points or not...facts are facts.

You haven't really stated any facts, aside that you know a Muslim guy who's against it and your kid shoots. Perhaps he's against it because he doesn't want the right wing pundits stirring up anti Islamic sentiment.

Why build it there?????
I guess your the bright bulb on the political forum. We are all better for your wisdom.

How many Muslims live and work in the City today? Did you ever think maybe they felt it was a good location for the people who would be going there? It was supposed to be a community center...think easy access...

-spence