Increase in commercial quota for next year

[BigFish]

That is a mistake. Commercial fishing is decimating the stocks and I am sorry if it pisses people off but I believe this is reason number 1 why the fall run the last few seasons has sucked and there is a noticeable lack of small fish. All the breeders are being taken. That is my belief and like it or not kiddies I am sticking to it.

Reason number 2 is the 2 fish a day take........we need to roll that back to 1 fish at 36 inches! Nobody needs 2 fish a day.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by BigFish

That is a mistake. Commercial fishing is decimating the stocks and I am sorry if it pisses people off but I believe this is reason number 1 why the fall run the last few seasons has sucked and there is a noticeable lack of small fish. All the breeders are being taken. That is my belief and like it or not kiddies I am sticking to it.

Reason number 2 is the 2 fish a day take........we need to roll that back to 1 fish at 36 inches! Nobody needs 2 fish a day.

Recreational fishermen kill a boatload more fish than commercial guys do. WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!!! That being said, there is no way we should allow a rise in the commercial take. Both sides should lower their limits

[BigFish]

Well there are more recreational fisherman than commercial. The problem being the size minimum the comms need to take their limit. They are taking more large than the recreational fisherman in my estimation. If I keep 10 fish all year (which is accurate) a comm takes 10 on a day and they are all large (breeders).

As I said and have said since they increased the take to 2 a day......thats more than anyone needs and it should be 1 at 36. This would cut the rec take dramatically!

[luds]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Recreational fishermen kill a boatload more fish than commercial guys do. WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!!! That being said, there is no way we should allow a rise in the commercial take. Both sides should lower their limits

Agree with everyone thing you said. Unfortunately I don't think anything will change other than golf courses and bars will probably get little more crowded as there are less and less fish to catch.

[SAUERKRAUT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Recreational fishermen kill a boatload more fish than commercial guys do. WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!!! That being said, there is no way we should allow a rise in the commercial take. Both sides should lower their limits

A personal friend of mine, Steve Howell is a trailer boat captain: Doubled Up Charters. He commercial fishes stripers in season; in fact, I host him with a bed and a shower whenever he needs as he is from Paxton. (I do this despite the fact I am opposed to the entire entity of a striped bass commercial fishery). His "take" for the season was: 37 stripers that went OVER 40 pounds! VERY FEW of these, and many other fish harvested by him were killed and recorded during the commercial season.

Tell me: Isn't the so-called Recreational Fisherman killing the fish really just the same Commercial Fisherman outside the Commercial Season?

Very very few so-called Recreational Fishermen have the expertise or the opportunity that Capt. Steve does. This is not a Recreational Fisherman! There are many many like him, and they need to be brought out from hiding.

[robc22]

Originally Posted by SAUERKRAUT

A personal friend of mine, Steve Howell is a trailer boat captain: Doubled Up Charters. He commercial fishes stripers in season; in fact, I host him with a bed and a shower whenever he needs as he is from Paxton. (I do this despite the fact I am opposed to the entire entity of a striped bass commercial fishery). His "take" for the season was: 37 stripers that went OVER 40 pounds! VERY FEW of these, and many other fish harvested by him were killed and recorded during the commercial season.

Tell me: Isn't the so-called Recreational Fisherman killing the fish really just the same Commercial Fisherman outside the Commercial Season?

Very very few so-called Recreational Fishermen have the expertise or the opportunity that Capt. Steve does. This is not a Recreational Fisherman! There are many many like him, and they need to be brought out from hiding.

bought out from hiding!?!? like they are public servants on the take!?!? they are just good bass fishermen,period. I find your post disturbing.....there's a million pound quota in ma......that quota gets filled by folks that are good at catching bass, thats all.....I grew up on the cape......you guys love to talk about rec. vs comm......I'm a fisherman period. sometimes I sell the fish, sometimes I eat the fish and sometimes I let the fish go.......I'm guessing your "buddy" capt. steve is the same way...........

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by robc22

bought out from hiding!?!? like they are public servants on the take!?!? they are just good bass fishermen,period. I find your post disturbing.....there's a million pound quota in ma......that quota gets filled by folks that are good at catching bass, thats all.....I grew up on the cape......you guys love to talk about rec. vs comm......I'm a fisherman period. sometimes I sell the fish, sometimes I eat the fish and sometimes I let the fish go.......I'm guessing your "buddy" capt. steve is the same way...........

hey rob~~

i believe that SRKT is referring to skewed/inaccurate commercial ###'s with respect to the coming increase in their Commercial Quota for 2011.

if the numbers are OFF and we already KNOW that they can be manipulated, then how is the ASMFC supposed to make legitimate regulation? AND i am certain that this has been happening for decades!!

my view is to reduce the take for BOTH! 1 @ 36" for us, ??? millions ##'s less for them. ALSO, we must Fix the Forage!! leave the bunker alone for three yrs!! just my thoughts,,,,,,,,,,

[robc22]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

hey rob~~

i believe that SRKT is referring to skewed/inaccurate commercial ###'s with respect to the coming increase in their Commercial Quota for 2011.

if the numbers are OFF and we already KNOW that they can be manipulated, then how is the ASMFC supposed to make legitimate regulation? AND i am certain that this has been happening for decades!!

my view is to reduce the take for BOTH! 1 @ 36" for us, ??? millions ##'s less for them. ALSO, we must Fix the Forage!! leave the bunker alone for three yrs!! just my thoughts,,,,,,,,,,

I don't believe those numbers to be off and howv would one manage such a event with a fishery thats eyeballed by millions of people and citizens........

[stiff tip]

imo....... most of u rec fisherman would not last a wk fishing for money. your the greatest when the bites on ,but hows your skills when its off ???? will u fish from dusk to dawn every day 10 ,12 hrs? trust me it aint e-z ,,,b glad if u have a real job.fishing wont make u rich . it will make u feel good and free but not rich.as i c it the rec fisherman KILLS 10 times the bass as the comm , if u flag wavering dopes would relize that you could help .stop pointing the finger of guilt ,, just look in a mirror ... chesse bay cond are a huge prob.thats it i,m done stop your crying its a long winter..

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by BigFish

That is a mistake. Commercial fishing is decimating the stocks and I am sorry if it pisses people off but I believe this is reason number 1 why the fall run the last few seasons has sucked and there is a noticeable lack of small fish. All the breeders are being taken. That is my belief and like it or not kiddies I am sticking to it.

Reason number 2 is the 2 fish a day take........we need to roll that back to 1 fish at 36 inches! Nobody needs 2 fish a day.

So you say blame the commercial people.

Your way of thinking is:
Don't you dare blame the recreational fishermen that catch in access of 25 million pounds and has at least a 6 percent fatality rate on released fish.

With them stats your group kills 1,500,000 fish that you think are going to live when you practice catch & release.
And do not give me the crap that the recreational fishermen bring in dollars to motels, restauarants, etc:
Charter boats do the same thing, they bring in monies to motels, restaurants etc. too, guess what, charter boats are commercial fishing, they receive money.

[BigFish]

There someone goes putting words in my mouth again! Flyrod....not sure how you missed my comments on the recreational community but check your notes, re-read my posts please. This is a controversial issue and people are going to disagree.....I am entitled to my opinions just as you are and I will respect your opinions as long as you respect mine. Just because folks do not agree with someone elses opinion does not make it wrong! So do me a favor and check yourself!

Fly Rod you may also notice I did not comment on the prospect of cutting back the comm quota.........just against the raising of the quota! My only change IS THE RECREATIONAL DAILY TAKE!

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by BigFish

There someone goes putting words in my mouth again! Flyrod....not sure how you missed my comments on the recreational community but check your notes, re-read my posts please. This is a controversial issue and people are going to disagree.....I am entitled to my opinions just as you are and I will respect your opinions as long as you respect mine. Just because folks do not agree with someone elses opinion does not make it wrong! So do me a favor and check yourself!

Fly Rod you may also notice I did not comment on the prospect of cutting back the comm quota.........just against the raising of the quota! My only change IS THE RECREATIONAL DAILY TAKE!

Everyone is intitled to an opinion and that is gauranteed by our first amendment.

What I commented on was that you stated that the commercials are the number one problem. My quote to you was that they were not.

Here is your quote that I commented on.
Commercial fishing is decimating the stocks and I am sorry if it pisses people off but I believe this is reason number 1.

The south shore may have had not so good a year. We had a great year in deep water and along the shore.

Anyway, pull up to your favorite chair, sit back and enjoy the football games today. You deserve it.

[BigFish]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Everyone is intitled to an opinion and that is gauranteed by our first amendment.

What I commented on was that you stated that the commercials are the number one problem. My quote to you was that they were not.

Here is your quote that I commented on.
Commercial fishing is decimating the stocks and I am sorry if it pisses people off but I believe this is reason number 1.

The south shore may have had not so good a year. We had a great year in deep water and along the shore.

Anyway, pull up to your favorite chair, sit back and enjoy the football games today. You deserve it.

Yep I stand behind that! Comms do most of the damage and you will not change my mind on that! Personally I agree with Piemma and it would not bother me one bit to do away with the commercial season!

[stiff tip]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Yep I stand behind that! Comms do most of the damage and you will not change my mind on that! Personally I agree with Piemma and it would not bother me one bit to do away with the commercial season!

also NO more fishing with artifical plugs too!!only biodegradable worms and barbless hooks... plus no one can touch keep, or w/o rose color glasses look at bass.....heres how i c it 1.2 million lbs for the comm. hoars. who sell for money those sinners and 13.5 million for the rec pigs who always keep more than need.and barroom bounce the 40lber they caught right into the dumpster. imo at lease i respecept the value of the fish. chew on that knot a while

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

And do not give me the crap that the recreational fishermen bring in dollars to motels, restauarants, etc:

Charter boats do the same thing, they bring in monies to motels, restaurants etc. too, guess what, charter boats are commercial fishing, they receive money.

But the take of charter and party boats is NOT counted toward the commercial quota. They are considered recreational by the ASMFC, and their take is counted as recreational take. In the eyes of the ASMFC, charter & party boats are merely providing transportation. The fishing is done by recreation fishermen and the fish are not sold to a fish market, therefore the insane amount of fish taken each year by charter & party boats goes on the rec tab.

Let's change this as well.