Increase in commercial quota for next year

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by BigFish

That is a mistake. Commercial fishing is decimating the stocks and I am sorry if it pisses people off but I believe this is reason number 1 why the fall run the last few seasons has sucked and there is a noticeable lack of small fish. All the breeders are being taken. That is my belief and like it or not kiddies I am sticking to it.

Reason number 2 is the 2 fish a day take........we need to roll that back to 1 fish at 36 inches! Nobody needs 2 fish a day.

Recreational fishermen kill a boatload more fish than commercial guys do. WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!!! That being said, there is no way we should allow a rise in the commercial take. Both sides should lower their limits

[BigFish]

Well there are more recreational fisherman than commercial. The problem being the size minimum the comms need to take their limit. They are taking more large than the recreational fisherman in my estimation. If I keep 10 fish all year (which is accurate) a comm takes 10 on a day and they are all large (breeders).

As I said and have said since they increased the take to 2 a day......thats more than anyone needs and it should be 1 at 36. This would cut the rec take dramatically!

[luds]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Recreational fishermen kill a boatload more fish than commercial guys do. WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!!! That being said, there is no way we should allow a rise in the commercial take. Both sides should lower their limits

Agree with everyone thing you said. Unfortunately I don't think anything will change other than golf courses and bars will probably get little more crowded as there are less and less fish to catch.

[SAUERKRAUT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Recreational fishermen kill a boatload more fish than commercial guys do. WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!!! That being said, there is no way we should allow a rise in the commercial take. Both sides should lower their limits

A personal friend of mine, Steve Howell is a trailer boat captain: Doubled Up Charters. He commercial fishes stripers in season; in fact, I host him with a bed and a shower whenever he needs as he is from Paxton. (I do this despite the fact I am opposed to the entire entity of a striped bass commercial fishery). His "take" for the season was: 37 stripers that went OVER 40 pounds! VERY FEW of these, and many other fish harvested by him were killed and recorded during the commercial season.

Tell me: Isn't the so-called Recreational Fisherman killing the fish really just the same Commercial Fisherman outside the Commercial Season?

Very very few so-called Recreational Fishermen have the expertise or the opportunity that Capt. Steve does. This is not a Recreational Fisherman! There are many many like him, and they need to be brought out from hiding.

[robc22]

Originally Posted by SAUERKRAUT

A personal friend of mine, Steve Howell is a trailer boat captain: Doubled Up Charters. He commercial fishes stripers in season; in fact, I host him with a bed and a shower whenever he needs as he is from Paxton. (I do this despite the fact I am opposed to the entire entity of a striped bass commercial fishery). His "take" for the season was: 37 stripers that went OVER 40 pounds! VERY FEW of these, and many other fish harvested by him were killed and recorded during the commercial season.

Tell me: Isn't the so-called Recreational Fisherman killing the fish really just the same Commercial Fisherman outside the Commercial Season?

Very very few so-called Recreational Fishermen have the expertise or the opportunity that Capt. Steve does. This is not a Recreational Fisherman! There are many many like him, and they need to be brought out from hiding.

bought out from hiding!?!? like they are public servants on the take!?!? they are just good bass fishermen,period. I find your post disturbing.....there's a million pound quota in ma......that quota gets filled by folks that are good at catching bass, thats all.....I grew up on the cape......you guys love to talk about rec. vs comm......I'm a fisherman period. sometimes I sell the fish, sometimes I eat the fish and sometimes I let the fish go.......I'm guessing your "buddy" capt. steve is the same way...........

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by robc22

bought out from hiding!?!? like they are public servants on the take!?!? they are just good bass fishermen,period. I find your post disturbing.....there's a million pound quota in ma......that quota gets filled by folks that are good at catching bass, thats all.....I grew up on the cape......you guys love to talk about rec. vs comm......I'm a fisherman period. sometimes I sell the fish, sometimes I eat the fish and sometimes I let the fish go.......I'm guessing your "buddy" capt. steve is the same way...........

hey rob~~

i believe that SRKT is referring to skewed/inaccurate commercial ###'s with respect to the coming increase in their Commercial Quota for 2011.

if the numbers are OFF and we already KNOW that they can be manipulated, then how is the ASMFC supposed to make legitimate regulation? AND i am certain that this has been happening for decades!!

my view is to reduce the take for BOTH! 1 @ 36" for us, ??? millions ##'s less for them. ALSO, we must Fix the Forage!! leave the bunker alone for three yrs!! just my thoughts,,,,,,,,,,

[robc22]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

hey rob~~

i believe that SRKT is referring to skewed/inaccurate commercial ###'s with respect to the coming increase in their Commercial Quota for 2011.

if the numbers are OFF and we already KNOW that they can be manipulated, then how is the ASMFC supposed to make legitimate regulation? AND i am certain that this has been happening for decades!!

my view is to reduce the take for BOTH! 1 @ 36" for us, ??? millions ##'s less for them. ALSO, we must Fix the Forage!! leave the bunker alone for three yrs!! just my thoughts,,,,,,,,,,

I don't believe those numbers to be off and howv would one manage such a event with a fishery thats eyeballed by millions of people and citizens........

[stiff tip]

imo....... most of u rec fisherman would not last a wk fishing for money. your the greatest when the bites on ,but hows your skills when its off ???? will u fish from dusk to dawn every day 10 ,12 hrs? trust me it aint e-z ,,,b glad if u have a real job.fishing wont make u rich . it will make u feel good and free but not rich.as i c it the rec fisherman KILLS 10 times the bass as the comm , if u flag wavering dopes would relize that you could help .stop pointing the finger of guilt ,, just look in a mirror ... chesse bay cond are a huge prob.thats it i,m done stop your crying its a long winter..

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by stiff tip

imo....... most of u rec fisherman would not last a wk fishing for money. your the greatest when the bites on ,but hows your skills when its off ???? will u fish from dusk to dawn every day 10 ,12 hrs? trust me it aint e-z ,,,b glad if u have a real job.fishing wont make u rich . it will make u feel good and free but not rich.as i c it the rec fisherman KILLS 10 times the bass as the comm , if u flag wavering dopes would relize that you could help .stop pointing the finger of guilt ,, just look in a mirror ... chesse bay cond are a huge prob.thats it i,m done stop your crying its a long winter..

are YOU SHEETIN', ME??

i would embrace the opportunity to fish for a living~~~
if there was a C&R Pro Circuit for Stripers!!



and nobody is pointing a finger of guilt solely at anybody,
most of us are saying that there needs to be a reduction for BOTH!!

and i think the "crying" to which you are referring is FOR the AC Menhaden, who sadly have no voice!
why not use dogfish for bug bait? and leave the pogies alone, let them rebound for 3 yrs!!

i would LOVE to sea the return of The Great Silver Balls, INSHORE!!!
SUUUUX, that i can only read about that phenomena that used to be the norm. and, AGREED, we as a peoples/terrible stewards have done MUCH to destroy our beloved species' habitat.

certainly there are sacrifices to be made ACROSS the BOARD!! do you suppose that we'll EVER get Purdue, the CClubs along the Hudson, and the rest of the landlubbing polluters to admit ~much more DO anything~ that they are a huge part of the equation??

i appreciate your angle Stifftip, it is important that we hear ALL sides.