And you have physical proof this came from trawlers? Video? Boat name? Actual eyewitness?? I'm not sticking up for anyone I just want to see proof before I start slamming someone.
YES every winter we have an annual thread on the senseless slaughter of thousands of striped bass.
If you don't believe me I'm sure a few people can dig up some threads here. There's been enough of them locked over the years.
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happens every winter eh? So nothing to do with trawlers? That's good.
There is another thread were several boaters including one charter captain and its crew witnessed this trawler..... It just takes a handfull to ruin it for all, total disregard and waste... Those are just the floaters!
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These are discarded SB from what are called "netters" in NC. Most are gill netters and are completely allowed to fish gear that can catch much more than they are allowed to keep. The beach seiners are also on the same quota and cull in the same manner. They each can haul a net with 500 Stripers, cull out the largest 100 (I think that is their number per day) and cull or toss the rest overboard.
Every EAst Coast State has three commissioners that participate at ASMFC where SB regulations are approved. Call your state DEM/DMF and be pissed off.
All in NC State waters nice and legal this year. Simply sickening.
"It is impossible to complain and to achieve at the same time"--Basic Patrick (on a good day)
The beach netters have not had a chance to catch any. Believe me...I'd be there doing it if I could (I have a license). Fact is, the fish have not been that close to the beach. The video is ground fishing boats (draggers) who are required to discard the undersized stripers as bycatch despite trying to have the state allow the keeping as part of the allocation. I don't condone it...just explain it. I just prefer to keep others from getting caught up in the mass hysteria that pits anglers against each other less we all lose. The NC season is a whopping 5 days long. Boats are allowed to keep 50 fish over 28 inches per day. You can do the math and figure that allocation (or you can look on the web and get the annula allocations). It seems bad but is really nothing compared to what gets caught during the summer in the Chesapeake or other mid-Atlantic locations.
If you ever sail the Chesapeake after a cargo ship has passed you'd see similar things (albeit not in the same numbers). You have to ask yourself what the guys who took the video were doing. The answer is they were looking to hit the school and have a 50-70 fish day with catch and release. When you are catching fish that fast just how careful are you to make sure each is returned successfully? Not an accusation...just a question.
I am not defending anyone so no need to hammer me.
I have removed any emotional statements from this, but left the informational pieces.
On Jan. 15th the North Carolina, ocean commercial striped bass season opened. In this trawl fishery, individual boats can keep the 50 largest fish that they catch in a day. This practice allows and encourages the culling or high grading of the catch. This means that the boat will keep the 50 largest fish in possession but may continue trawling all day and may replace these fish with larger ones caught later. Replacing means they will throw the dead or dying fish over the side, substituting them with the freshly caught larger bass.
SF has sent a letter to Louis Daniels Ph.D. the Director of Marine Fisheries in NC. We hope that you will send the note below or something like it in your own words to Dr. Daniels.. Here is an e-mail link to his office louis.daniel@ncmail.net.
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Louis Daniels PhD
NC DMF
3441 Arendell Street
PO BOX 769
Morehead City, NC 28557-0769
Dear Dr. Daniels – The world is now aware of the terrible misuse of the striped bass resource caused by the commercial ocean trawl fishery off the North Carolina Outer Banks. These fish are worth considerably more per pound if allocated to the recreational fishery in North Carolina than when taken by commercial harvest. But if the practice of commercial fishing for striped bass must continue in NC, certainly the participants should never be allowed to cull and high grade these fish. It is already too late to save the thousands of large striped bass wasted by this fishery during the 2011 winter season, but we hope that you will use the power of your office to keep this from happening in the future.
Thanks for posting, Woody. I just emailed a letter to Dr. Daniels stating my concerns.
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That's just plain disgusting to see. Have we advanced to create better regs that promote sustainable resource use with minimal waste? Look's like we have a long way to go.
Videos like that just further demonstrate that striped bass with eventually be a gamefish. A lot of commercial fishermen want to place all the blame on "those damn treehuggers" for shortened seasons and reduced quotas, whereas they should be examining the habits of some of their fellow industry-men .
Wow looks like Chatham this summer ... Love how the f.ing circus outside the new cut this summer durin comm bass season in mass had no ill affects right???? Go ahead say something please I WAS IN THAT CIRCUS!!!! yea exactly point it out when it aint close to home.. Yea cullin is wrong but ya know what else is.. You and your buddy same boat limit 30 fish!!! no no you both catch 30 .. its effin ILLEGAL!!!! and was goin on more then one "team" and more then five days in MASS!!!!! Oh what no one wanna talk about that??? lets bang on NC and SC instead.. Oh ok cool.. Ill get off my soap box now.. have fun with the N.I.M.B.Y complex...
That's just plain disgusting to see. Have we advanced to create better regs that promote sustainable resource use with minimal waste? Look's like we have a long way to go.
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Videos like that just further demonstrate that striped bass with eventually be a gamefish. A lot of commercial fishermen want to place all the blame on "those damn treehuggers" for shortened seasons and reduced quotas, whereas they should be examining the habits of some of their fellow industry-men .
Puleye .. NC regs in state waters fall on NC to control...Yes they do have a long way to go if they allow culling...
JohnnyD you really wanna go down this road with me??? we dont blame TREE HUGGERS.. actually we place blame where it belongs..bad science its been proven!!! mor then once.. If you dont fish comm maybe you should sit and talk with some REAL ones who know whats goin on in the industry before eatin everything your spoon fed media wise.. $$$ for fishermen??? from th egoverment??? umm yea a loan program to buy a boat!! In an industry where they are puttin us outta business... Dr. Jane Lupencheco or what ever her last name is.. HEAD OF NOAA... founder o fthe PEW Ocean Comitee... How far ya wanna go man seriously?? We can go back in forth all day long on this.. One question tho how can you say "overfishing" when we are cut to 28 days a year with very strict weight limits of 1500 for 15 hours which is ONE day of fishing not 24... hmm woul dlove to see some of the people who bang so hard on the comm guys on here have to do half the stuff we do just to work.. better yet id like to see yall pay your bills on 28 days a YEAR... with productivity limits.. Im very tired of the industry my family has been involved in since 1661 (PROVEN) bein hammered on when I cant even get through a crowd of illeagals or "gangsta" or non english speakin people at a spot.. No lIcenses no common sence just killin fish for fun.. hmm 20 ignorants per spot and that is bein kind on estimate vs a DIEING INDUSTRY.. hmmm reall who does more damage????
Shortened season... hmm down here in SOCO we had 70+ degree water temps.. hmmm chatham had MULLET???? oyster river??? hmm 20 years on cape first time the old man ever saw that.. but ya all know WATER TEMP has nothing to do with it.. yea dont blame our enviroment for anything or the damamge we cause to it.. no no perfect example of BAD SCIENCE right ther ewater gets warmer fish move north.. now if the water temp changes 5 or so degrees warmer fish will be more north.. hmmm do i have to draw a map here??? Its called global warming.. And yes thats why the weather has been so odd.. a whole in the ozone ltes lots of heat in.. also lots out..
I totally support conservation.. I do not support a system that slaughters and wastes.. UNTILL PEOPLE PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS I dont wanna hear it.. Yes there was some shady captains BACK IN THE DAY.. but now with NMS takin residence in our respective colons kinda hard to cheat.. 5 FEDERAL employees to WATCH 1 boat unload.. wow ho wbout the observer/monitor programs and dock side monitors and VTR and VTS and havin to pre call days youll sail and then still havin to declare or sittin outside the demarc in crap wether caus eyou have to wait on anchor for the time to go by.. yea lets put peoples lives in danger to let em work.. Sorry but some of yall need to get a effin clue of what its like on our side of the fence..
Eben thanks again for that pic, You made mine and my fathers day with that..
Oh and those that side with our goverment.. you wil all be happy to know now that Capt. Brian Loftes maker of "Truth Fishing Crisi or Goverment Mismanagment" video.. His boat rolled at the dock a weekor two ago in Galilee .. He and his crew made it off ok.. he came in with UNDER his legal weight of fish and it shifted the boat rolled 150 feet from the dock... the "Damariscota" was his boat..
And you have physical proof this came from trawlers? Video? Boat name? Actual eyewitness?? I'm not sticking up for anyone I just want to see proof before I start slamming someone.
YES every winter we have an annual thread on the senseless slaughter of thousands of striped bass.
If you don't believe me I'm sure a few people can dig up some threads here. There's been enough of them locked over the years.
I have witnessed it first had off of Chatham. Floaters for miles.
Gets you pretty pissed when you can't keep one that jumps on the bars.
JohnnyD you really wanna go down this road with me??? we dont blame TREE HUGGERS.. actually we place blame where it belongs..bad science its been proven!!! mor then once.. If you dont fish comm maybe you should sit and talk with some REAL ones who know whats goin on in the industry before eatin everything your spoon fed media wise.. $$$ for fishermen??? from th egoverment??? umm yea a loan program to buy a boat!! In an industry where they are puttin us outta business... Dr. Jane Lupencheco or what ever her last name is.. HEAD OF NOAA... founder o fthe PEW Ocean Comitee... How far ya wanna go man seriously?? We can go back in forth all day long on this.. One question tho how can you say "overfishing" when we are cut to 28 days a year with very strict weight limits of 1500 for 15 hours which is ONE day of fishing not 24... hmm woul dlove to see some of the people who bang so hard on the comm guys on here have to do half the stuff we do just to work.. better yet id like to see yall pay your bills on 28 days a YEAR... with productivity limits.. Im very tired of the industry my family has been involved in since 1661 (PROVEN) bein hammered on when I cant even get through a crowd of illeagals or "gangsta" or non english speakin people at a spot.. No lIcenses no common sence just killin fish for fun.. hmm 20 ignorants per spot and that is bein kind on estimate vs a DIEING INDUSTRY.. hmmm reall who does more damage????
Sure, let's talk about your industry, an industry where just about every single commercial fisherman I have gotten to know has shown that he abuses the system - be it high-grading, keeping too many fish, fishing on non-commercial days, selling at back doors, striper fishing in the EEZ, you name it. Sure, there are some honest ones that go completely by the book, but there is no denying that they are the minority.
You're right, the science is bad. One trip to a regulatory meeting will easily demonstrate that. The part where you're wrong? The science is bad in the comms favor and that bad science is the only reason there is *any* season at all. They knowingly use bad data, accept terrible relative YOY numbers, utilize arbitrary stock numbers, ignore myco mortality, ignore that their bycatch numbers are low and then say "yeah, we know the numbers aren't accurate, but those are the ones we are going to use to consider increasing the quota 20%."
Upset about only having 28 days to fish? Don't blame me about a short season, don't blame the PEW organization, blame the ones who raped the seas in the past without regard for the future and continue to do so.
Blame the trawlers that throw more dead bass over the rail as bycatch than a dozen Rod and Reel Comms would catch in a season.
Blame the companies who cause the 2-3 videos that pop online each year with keeper bass belly up in the middle of the ocean.
Blame companies like Omega that will wipe out a school of bait.
Blame the group of fishermen in MD that profited multiple millions of dollars by scamming the system.
Blame the fisherman who was caught with the secret compartment in his boat to poach fish.
Blame the tournaments that promote killing the largest fish possible.
Blame the NC Commercial fishermen who fish well into the EEZ and then throw their catch over the rail when there are reports of the Coast Guard coming.
Blame the lackluster enforcement.
I would 100% support a well regulated Rod and Reel Commercial fishery with responsible people, reporting their catch and playing by the rules along with a major tightening of Recreational Regs (1@36") with effective enforcement. Unfortunately, none of those things will ever happen - there will always be comms who disregard the system, there will always be Recs who keep too many or undersized fish and the government sucks at enforcing their own regulations so.... Gamefish Status will be the eventual outcome.
There was already one crash of the stock due to ineffective regulations. The writing is on the wall and I hope you're prepared for the next crash.
While I definitely lean anti commercial... There is plenty of Blame to go around.
Blame REC poachers.
Blame REC fisherman who sell Blackmarket or on others slips.
Blame REC fisherman who HAMMER fish in the EEZ in NC
Blame REC fisherman who keep 2 fish every chance they get
Blame REC fisherman who toss schoolies from a jetty like so many stones.
I'm sure there are others I just can't think of right now.
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