Anyone following what's going on in Wisconsin?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

well, union dues and membership generally are not voluntary

The 2 places where I've worked in a Union environment neither was Mandatory to join the union.

of the 2, GE did require you to pay a fee to the union if you didn't join that was equal to the Union Dues.

The Shipyard, where I am currently working, is completely voluntary, no fee charged if you decide to not to join.

I'm not %100 sure but I think it is Illegal to force somebody to join a Union. I'll see igf I can find something on the Internet about it.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Scott,

This is not an abortion debate, and planned parent hood does more than abortions. but thats not for this thread

Jim:
You made the connection, show me the money. Where did a major union give money directly to PP?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Scott,

This is not an abortion debate, and planned parent hood does more than abortions. but thats not for this thread

sorry buddy, just tryin' to help

actually, if you want a link, the Wisconsin governor is under assault from planned parenthood and the abortion brigade in conjunction with the unions...google unions planned parenthood

also...

Washington, DC – Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion business, has added five new board members of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, its political arm. The new members have curious ties to unions, left-wing billionaire George Soros, and the Democratic Party.

One of the top Planned Parenthood recruits is Michael Vachon, an adjunct associate professor at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs who is an advisor to billionaire left-wing political activist George Soros.

Minyon Moore heads the state and local affairs practice at the Dewey Square Group but she is also the former CEO of the Democratic National Committee and was an assistant to pro-abortion President Bill Clinton as director of White House Political Affairs.

Irma Esparza is the chief of staff for Washington, D.C. councilmember Kwame Brown but she was previously associated with the labor union AFSCME.


AFSCME came under fire in 2003 for co-sponsoring a pro-abortion march that abortion advocacy groups, including Planned Parenthood, planned for April 2004.

Officials from the group’s Washington headquarters appeared along with abortion advocacy organizations at a June press conference announcing the pro-abortion march but would not respond to questions about why the division of AFL-CIO would endorse the pro-abortion march.

Joanne Egerman is another new board member for Planned Parenthood who comes from its affiliate ranks, as she serves on the board of the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts. However, she is also a member of the regional and national boards of the Anti-Defamation League and the gay and lesbian group Mass Equality.


And Naomi Aberly, the fifth new board member for the abortion business’ political advocacy group, has been active in Obama for America, has been a Democratic fundraiser and involved in local Planned Parenthood abortion businesses.


“At this crucial political juncture, we need the judgment and experience that each one of these five prominent individuals brings to our organization,” Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards said. “They will play a very important role in supporting the Action Fund’s execution of its political program this fall.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Scott,

This is not an abortion debate, and planned parent hood does more than abortions. but thats not for this thread

Jim:
You made the connection, show me the money. Where did a major union give money directly to PP?

I'm not going to take the time to ask my brothers to scan their union's financials. Planned Parenthood is not the point, mandatory union membership is the point.

I'm a conservative. Let's say my dream is to teach kids. If I want to be a schoolteacher, why is it fair that in order to teach, I MUST give mopney to the union which will make donations to politicians that I abhor. Why must I go through that, just because I want to teach?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

The 2 places where I've worked in a Union environment neither was Mandatory to join the union.

of the 2, GE did require you to pay a fee to the union if you didn't join that was equal to the Union Dues.

The Shipyard, where I am currently working, is completely voluntary, no fee charged if you decide to not to join.

I'm not %100 sure but I think it is Illegal to force somebody to join a Union. I'll see igf I can find something on the Internet about it.

I said "generally" I believe one of the Wisconsin issues would allow teachers out of the union....dues are not optional in many instances


NPR
Weakening Labor, Weakening Democrats

If you ask labor professor Paul Mishler from Indiana University in South Bend, this battle is only nominally about state budgets.

"What they see as a fiscal crisis is really an excuse to go after the social and political strength of the unions," he says.

The impetus for change is chiefly coming from Republican legislators who realize if they can weaken the unions, they also weaken the Democrats, who are often backed by labor.

Mishler also sees it as another front in the struggle between businesses and workers.

In Indiana, the Chamber of Commerce is a driving force behind efforts to make paying union dues optional. Republican Rep. Gerald Torr ushered that bill through a key committee Monday.

"If the union is providing a good service ... and all of those employees decide to continue paying dues, this bill will have zero effect on them and they will still have the same collective bargaining rights that they have today," Torr says.

Actually, in the 22 states where union dues are voluntary, unions are exceptionally weak. People tend not to volunteer to pay union dues any more than they volunteer to pay taxes.

Richard Vedder, an economist at Ohio University, says so-called right-to-work states, where union dues are voluntary, do tend to see more job growth.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

The 2 places where I've worked in a Union environment neither was Mandatory to join the union.

of the 2, GE did require you to pay a fee to the union if you didn't join that was equal to the Union Dues.

The Shipyard, where I am currently working, is completely voluntary, no fee charged if you decide to not to join.

I'm not %100 sure but I think it is Illegal to force somebody to join a Union. I'll see igf I can find something on the Internet about it.

As far as I know, union membership is mandatory for teachers in every town in CT. And for damn sure it's mandatory in WI, that's one of the things that the Gov is proposing to change, that union membership should be voluntary. Imagine that, giving people a choice as to whether or not they want to join a group, just because they work in a public capacity. Who could disagree with that, right? The unions disagree, loudly.