Anyone following what's going on in Wisconsin?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

What question? For the record, you changed the subject with the leap between union dues and planned parenthood

Unions typically fund those that help the unions. Just like the Koch give money to those that support their causes. Where is the link between the public employees union and planned parenthood?

Seriously, you're like arguing with the dog from Up, but instead of getting distracted by a squirrel, it's the 'Abortion' right turn.

Do I think everything about every union is fair? Of course not. Do I think that when a union supports a politician they all run out and vote for said pol? No. Do I think the benefit to the workers, in things like healthcare and worker rights outweigh the dues, in most cases, yes.

As far as getting banned, this isn't the other site, and I'm more apt to ignore list people than report them.

"What question?"

I'm sorry, I assumed you read my post before you insulted me for its content. Here is what I wrote...

"why do these labor unions get to force people to join them? If I want to be a public schoolteacher, why am I forced to join a damn union?"

"Where is the link between the public employees union and planned parenthood? "

I have 2 brothers who teach, both have shown me financials from their union that show donations to Planned Parenthood. I don't see why someone who wants to teach kids is forced into giving money to causes that may be reprehensible to them. I think that's a legitimate question.

"it's the 'Abortion' right turn"

I picked Planned Parenthood, which liberals are always saying is about a lot more than abortion, by the way. But I could easily have said, "why are teachers forced to give money to unions who donate to liberal politicians"? It wasn't any right-turn, I'm talking about the insane, absolute power that these unions have.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"What question?"

I'm sorry, I assumed you read my post before you insulted me for its content. Here is what I wrote...

"why do these labor unions get to force people to join them? If I want to be a public schoolteacher, why am I forced to join a damn union?"

"Where is the link between the public employees union and planned parenthood? "

I have 2 brothers who teach, both have shown me financials from their union that show donations to Planned Parenthood. I don't see why someone who wants to teach kids is forced into giving money to causes that may be reprehensible to them. I think that's a legitimate question.

"it's the 'Abortion' right turn"

I picked Planned Parenthood, which liberals are always saying is about a lot more than abortion, by the way. But I could easily have said, "why are teachers forced to give money to unions who donate to liberal politicians"? It wasn't any right-turn, I'm talking about the insane, absolute power that these unions have.

Do your 2 brothers schools have sex ed?
Guess where the info comes from.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Do your 2 brothers schools have sex ed?
Guess where the info comes from.

Oh boy, you got me. I guess teachers, by virtue of the fact that they work in a building where sex ed is being taught, have no right to oppose abortion.

Oh, wait. They don't perform abortions during sex ed class, you see. But they do perform abortions, lots of 'em, at Planned Parenthood.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Oh boy, you got me. I guess teachers, by virtue of the fact that they work in a building where sex ed is being taught, have no right to oppose abortion.

Oh, wait. They don't perform abortions during sex ed class, you see. But they do perform abortions, lots of 'em, at Planned Parenthood.

They can complain to their union boss, or just not pay dues to the equivalent of their part of the donation if they feel that strongly.

Problem solved!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

They can complain to their union boss, or just not pay dues to the equivalent of their part of the donation if they feel that strongly.

Problem solved!

In CT (as I'm sure in most places), the dues come directly out of the teachers' paycheck, and teachers do NOT have the option of witholding a portion of their dues. If they did, I agree, problem would be solved. But that's not an option.

Unions don't like giving members options, you see, they want guaranteed union dues so they can buy democrats who will reward them with insane benefits.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In CT (as I'm sure in most places), the dues come directly out of the teachers' paycheck, and teachers do NOT have the option of witholding a portion of their dues. If they did, I agree, problem would be solved. But that's not an option.

Unions don't like giving members options, you see, they want guaranteed union dues so they can buy democrats who will reward them with insane benefits.

So sue the union.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

So sue the union.

Sure! A humble civil servant, suing the unions, which have all of the politicians in their pockets!

Or, you could do what the taxpayers in Wisconsin did, and vote for Republicans. That's just what they did. Problem is, the unions and the Democrats are undermining the democratic process because in this case, it didn't fit their personal agenda...

As Obama likes to say (or at least, he USED TO like to say this) "elections have consequences".