Incredible - No liberal bias, huh?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Chesapeake Bill

Police and Fire are excluded. Why would they sign on the letter? Where is the original with signatures to give some credibility to the letter? you doubt this?

I never said tehy "lifted the boat." I said they caused change. Not all unions are large evil McDonald...who is evil McDonald? type conglomerates that you portait. Many work closely with their management to find solutions to economic problems and even take concessions when times are tough. Its easy to put everyone in one basket so you can hate them. hate? if you want to see hate just look at your union bretheren and their cohorts around the country That seems to be the christian thing to do--then we can crucify the infidels or burn them at the stake. huh?

I think you went a bit off the thracks there Bill

[Chesapeake Bill]

Originally Posted by scottw

I think you went a bit off the thracks there Bill

First, If you read previous posts you can see that I am not pro or anti union. In many cases they are just as greedy as large corporations and the leaders who run them. I consider McD's a large greedy corporation. A corporation that supports leaders only to gain favors such as exemptions from health care. Given their options they would pay their employees garbage. You can't blame them. They are capitalists. The same way you can't blame people for wanting more wages and benefits. Each uses the tactics they feel will get them to that end. Look at the NFL and the "union" (if you can call it that). Both are positioning to gain maximum economic advantage regardless of what they bring to the table.

Secondly, you fail to address the point that not all unions are bad. Nowhere did I try and defend the union activists any more than I tried to defend the governor. My personal opinion is that both sides are so polarized it really does not matter what anyone thinks.

Third, you keep throwing stats on North Carolina that show it has business potential. Why would I argue that. If you allow businesses to run rampant over their employees and give them lots of tax breaks of course it will look as though it is a great place to go as a business. I didn't see a stat that showed it was a leader in job development (just potential).

Your turn to continue gathering the lions...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Chesapeake Bill

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Third, you keep throwing stats on North Carolina that show it has business potential. I didn't see a stat that showed it was a leader in job development (just potential).

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Federal Bureau of Labor and Statistics show North Carolina is the 3rd best state for declining unemployment and 4th in the nation for job creation...

this is getting boring....reading is fundamental

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Chesapeake Bill

I consider McD's a large greedy corporation. A corporation that supports leaders only to gain favors such as exemptions from health care. Given their options they would pay their employees garbage. You can't blame them. They are capitalists.

Secondly, you fail to address the point that not all unions are bad.

name a good one(union)...this is not a point that you are making but rather a vague generalized statement....how should I "address" it...."all unions are not good?"......I've pointed out that the damage being done far outweighs any benefit and good being done, you mentioned:

"the value that unions bring to a region. Don't get me wrong. I am not defending them. Merely pointing out how the economy changes as a result of their actions, often to the good of the citizens who are not represented "

can you point to something more specific? I know that as a result of the Wisconsin "action" millions of taxpayer dollars have had to be spent to clean up the mess, you might call that economic stimulus?...Obama would....but how have "citizens who are not represented" drawn benefit from union actions?. Last year, Oregon's unions spearheaded a successful battle to pass ballot measures 66 and 67, which collectively raised business and income taxes in the state by an estimated $727 million annually. Led by $2 million from the Oregon Education Association and $1.8 million from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), unions contributed an estimated 75% of the nearly $7 million raised to promote the tax increases, according to the National Institute on Money in State Politics .

are all capitalists bad Bill?

btw...anecdotal story since you like that stuff, and this one is completely factual...my wife spent more than a month at the Ronald McDonald house in Prov. when our oldest was born prematurely...which happened to coincide with the nurese's strike at Women and Infants...while enjoying the benefits of a comfortable place to recover which was established by a greedy corporation in close proximity from which to travel back and forth to the hospital on foot at all hours of the night to take care of our child we simultaneously enjoyed having to wear special badges when entering and leaving the hospital which identified us, and her particularly as she was not always able to have an escort, to the strikers and supporting thugs surrounding the hospital, the badges were suppose to identify her as a patient so that she would not be harassed and attacked as she left the premesis and were not always acknowledged by the mob...the replacement nurses were subject to harassment, threats, violence and vandalism of their vehicles with every changing shift....I guess you can't blame them...they're unionists...right?