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Old 04-06-2011, 12:22 PM   #1
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Sad day when some people can applaud the loss of 140 jobs, just because it make thing a little better for their hobby.

Very saddened by the loss of jobs.

Isn't reduction in herring pair trawls better for the fish? Regardless of the hobby?

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Old 04-06-2011, 12:31 PM   #2
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Yes no one is pleased to see the loss of 140 local jobs but the BIG PICTURE is more important...

Trawling is akin to strip mining of the ocean.. take a read thru some of these links and see what the true cost of trawling has on the marine ecosystem.

The fishery will be much improved for all types of fishing with the elimination of trawling... I think it was a mistake to allow any type of trawling in the FIRST place

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Effects of trawling on seafloor habitat and associated invertebrate taxa in the Gulf of Alaska
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:40 PM   #3
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This is a better link that details pelagic pair trawling which is what the New Bedford operation does for mackeral...

Bottom trawling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yes no one is pleased to see the loss of 140 local jobs but the BIG PICTURE is more important...

Trawling is akin to strip mining of the ocean.. take a read thru some of these links and see what the true cost of trawling has on the marine ecosystem.

The fishery will be much improved for all types of fishing with the elimination of trawling... I think it was a mistake to allow any type of trawling in the FIRST place

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Devastation of Trawling Visible from Space | LiveScience

Impacts of Bottom Trawling — Alaska Marine Conservation Council
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Effects of trawling on seafloor habitat and associated invertebrate taxa in the Gulf of Alaska
EarthTrends: Feature - The Impact of Global Trawling: Mapping our Footprint on the Seafloor
Even if I believed all that drivel, these boats weren't bottom trawling, they were midwater trawling, like the squid boats.

URI has done some whey interesting studies on the impact of bottom trawling on the marine bottom, but you won't hear about it on the tree-hugger websites because the news isn't sensational.

The "big picture" is only important when its not your job they are eliminating.

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Old 04-06-2011, 01:01 PM   #5
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Yep... Strip mining is way too harsh... Draggers work established fishing grounds, they just don't go anywhere they please. Unknown grounds = hangups, which can result in loss of expensive gear and at worst a vessel capsizing. Most of these grounds have been fished heavily for over fifty years- not like they're doing additional damage (although one can argue that the damage was reprehensible in the first place).

And some studies have shown that fish activity is increased in areas that are dragged... much akin to rototilling a field to seed, the actions of the trawlers stir up benthic invertebrates, and many fish move into the area to feed.

I'm not saying it's zero-impact: Far from it, that's for sure. But it's far from the 'strip mining' and 'destroying coral reefs' that Kurlansky and much of the media would have you believe.

But like MM said, these are pelagic trawlers, so it's apples to oranges... On NORPEL, sad to see the loss of so many jobs to hard working people, but glad to see the baitfish get a break.
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Yep... Strip mining is way too harsh... Draggers work established fishing grounds, they just don't go anywhere they please. Unknown grounds = hangups, which can result in loss of expensive gear and at worst a vessel capsizing. Most of these grounds have been fished heavily for over fifty years- not like they're doing additional damage (although one can argue that the damage was reprehensible in the first place).

And some studies have shown that fish activity is increased in areas that are dragged... much akin to rototilling a field to seed, the actions of the trawlers stir up benthic invertebrates, and many fish move into the area to feed.

I'm not saying it's zero-impact: Far from it, that's for sure. But it's far from the 'strip mining' and 'destroying coral reefs' that Kurlansky and much of the media would have you believe.

But like MM said, these are pelagic trawlers, so it's apples to oranges... On NORPEL, sad to see the loss of so many jobs to hard working people, but glad to see the baitfish get a break.
Not sure, but I think "Globally " bottom draggers are like bulldozing the forest to catch the squirrels. Effective but perverse.

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Very saddened by the loss of jobs.

Isn't reduction in herring pair trawls better for the fish? Regardless of the hobby?

Disappointed with fisheries management in general, and politicians in particular.
Maybe, the problem with the herring trawlers was twofold, or maybe threefold.
1) They caught too many fish (really the managers fault, but they got blamed)
2) They were also catching blueback herring, not only the Atlantic herring they were allowed to catch. And
3) They were also catching Juvenal Haddock, and there is no room to give them more of a haddock allocation. That is (was) a great example of a "choke species" that closes a fishery down well before it can catch it alloted quota.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did open back up again, on a more limited basis once the season opens. They might fish for a couple of week until they fill their haddock quota and then ship the boats out.

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