OBL(UBL) Killed

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Saltys

BTW

Yesterday marked the 8th anniversary of George W. Bush's "mission accomplished" speech....

Funny thing about that speech...if you read the text,nowhere does he say "mission accomplished". What he does say in that speech is that there's a lot of hard work left to do in Iraq, and that no one knows when the job will be done.

Liberals will then say "well what about the banner that said 'Mission Accomplished'? Yes, the banner. Bush's speech was delivered on the USS Lincoln, a Navy ship that was heading home after completing a tour of duty near Iraq. The banner was for the sailors of the USS Lincoln, because for them, their mission was accomplished.

But the media, and people who hate Bush,pounced on this, distorting it, and saying that Bush thought combat was over.

There were huge mistakes made with Iraq, and I have no quarrel with folks who say we shou;dn't have gone in. But it's flat-out lie to state that Bush ever claimes that the mission was accomplished.

And awesomenews about Bin Laden, I pray some of those 09/11 families can rest a bit easier.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But the media, and people who hate Bush,pounced on this, distorting it, and saying that Bush thought combat was over.

"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."


The same day: Rumsfeld said that in regard to Afghanistan, Bush, U.S. Central Command Chief Tommy Franks, and Afghan President Hamid Karzai "have concluded we're at a point where we clearly have moved from major combat activity to a period of stability and stabilization and reconstruction activities. The bulk of this country today is permissive, it's secure."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."



What Bush said is indisputably true. We did prevail in the Battle of Iraq. Remember that the battle was AGAINST the Iraq led by the Sadaam Husein regime. THAT Iraq was eliminated. The Iraqi regime that followed was our ally. We fought WITH it to defeat its enemies. Jim in CT pointed out very specifically that Bush did not say "mission accomplished" in that speech, it was a sign posted by the crew of the ship whose mission was over. Bush said specifically in that speech "The war on terror is not over . . . we have difficult work to do in Iraq."

The same day: Rumsfeld said that in regard to Afghanistan, Bush, U.S. Central Command Chief Tommy Franks, and Afghan President Hamid Karzai "have concluded we're at a point where we clearly have moved from major combat activity to a period of stability and stabilization and reconstruction activities. The bulk of this country today is permissive, it's secure."

So then you quote Rumsfeld in regard to Afghanistan which is not related to the ship's "mission accomplished" sign to somehow twist peripheral, unrelated statements to funnel into the falsely attributed quote to Bush to make it sound as if Bush was stupid enough to sort of say that our work was done, mission accomplished, combat is over. It is that slippery, slithery kind of discussion that is also used to paint the Tea Party as racist.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So then you quote Rumsfeld in regard to Afghanistan which is not related to the ship's "mission accomplished" sign to somehow twist peripheral, unrelated statements to funnel into the falsely attributed quote to Bush to make it sound as if Bush was stupid enough to sort of say that our work was done, mission accomplished, combat is over. It is that slippery, slithery kind of discussion that is also used to paint the Tea Party as racist.

Speaking of slippery, slithery...

That mission accomplished sign was just a fashionable use in the art of power, not in the philosophy of any truth. Bush learned well. As to those who seem unwilling to acknowledge this, this is a nuisance. The philosophy of truth is at times an impediment to gaining and using power. And then truth becomes secondary to power. In your case it is the power of pursuasion. Your ability to make falsehood into a shining city on a hill to the audience is commendable. Nevetheless, I am unconvinced that your "mission accomplished sign" statements are nothing more than post hoc rationalization.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

Speaking of slippery, slithery...

That mission accomplished sign was just a fashionable use in the art of power, not in the philosophy of any truth. Bush learned well. As to those who seem unwilling to acknowledge this, this is a nuisance. The philosophy of truth is at times an impediment to gaining and using power. And then truth becomes secondary to power. In your case it is the power of pursuasion. Your ability to make falsehood into a shining city on a hill to the audience is commendable. Nevetheless, I am unconvinced that your "mission accomplished sign" statements are nothing more than post hoc rationalization.

Nevertheless . . . I am unconvinced that your "mission accomplished sign" statement in response to my "mission accomplished sign" statement, which was in response to zimmy's "mission accomplished" sign statement, which was also responded to by Jim in CT's "mission Accomplished" sign statement which were all "post hoc" rationalizations of previous abundant "post hoc" statements and rationallizations and interpretations and refutations and mocking insultations and repudiations or reconfigurations of an original easily explained (and was) "mission accomplished sign" that was a "nuisance" to Bush haters who needed to conjecture an assault on the "philosophy of truth" to deny him a moment of victory so that the simple truth of the "mission accomplished" sign became secondary to belittling his power, and this never ending saga of meanings for the "mission accomplished sign" has cascaded and slithered all the way into your falsehood that I made a shining city on a hill . . . nevertheless, I am unconvinced that you said anything of substance.

What "mission" do you rationalize that the sign referred to and what actual evidence do you have of that?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

Speaking of slippery, slithery...

That mission accomplished sign was just a fashionable use in the art of power, not in the philosophy of any truth. Bush learned well. As to those who seem unwilling to acknowledge this, this is a nuisance. The philosophy of truth is at times an impediment to gaining and using power. And then truth becomes secondary to power. In your case it is the power of pursuasion. Your ability to make falsehood into a shining city on a hill to the audience is commendable. Nevetheless, I am unconvinced that your "mission accomplished sign" statements are nothing more than post hoc rationalization.

don't bogart

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

my first concern, whenever a mas murderer is killed, is that his body is handled properly and buried in strict accordance with the guidelines of the peaceful religeon that he practiced throughout his life, you wouldn't want any of the other followers of the peaceful religeon to be upset that one of it's members, no matter how rogue, devious or deadly was in any way mistreated, even in death glad to know that he was properly prepared for his trip to heaven

What hasn't been mentioned yet is that the burial at sea from the USS Carl Vinson was that the burial's speed was enhanced by use of steam powered catapult when they launched the body. Its true, i read it on the innernets.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."


The same day: Rumsfeld said that in regard to Afghanistan, Bush, U.S. Central Command Chief Tommy Franks, and Afghan President Hamid Karzai "have concluded we're at a point where we clearly have moved from major combat activity to a period of stability and stabilization and reconstruction activities. The bulk of this country today is permissive, it's secure."

Zimmy, my post saisd that Bush never claimed "Mission Accomplished" in his spech on the USS Abraham Lincoln. Read the speech. Assuming you can read, I also posted the intent of the banner, it was to give an "atta boy" to a bunch of heroic sailors whose mission WAS accomplished, and they deserved an acknowledgment of their service. So if you think it's acceptable to twist Bush's intent of congratulating those sailors and to attack him for it, all I can say is I find that repugnant. I also said mistakes were made in Iraq, mistakes that I'll wager impacted me more than they impacted you. But Bush never implied that the mission was accomplished, not during that speech. I'm sorry if that fact exposes how many revolting liars there are in the liberal ranks, but it's still a fact.

Pointing out what Rumsfeld and Franks said is NOT refuting my point, I was referring to what Bush said and didn't say.