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Old 08-21-2011, 04:59 PM   #181
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Looks like Ghadafi won't last long now...

Libyan Rebels Reportedly Within 2 Miles Of Tripoli's Center | FoxNews.com

Perhaps shock and awe isn't always the best solution.

Who are the rebels again?

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Old 08-21-2011, 06:43 PM   #182
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Looks like Ghadafi won't last long now...

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I hope so. Still plenty of time to screw it up. Understand that while Tripoli is a center of gravity it is not THE only center of gravity. Area is very tribal and still plenty of time for a cluster bleep.

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Don't be dumb please. I realize you have left a lot of room open for "context" - we expect better even from you than that.

You do realize that this may be the worst managed "coalition" of all time, right? The Coalition of the Willowy. From the massive material support of the individual Euronations. 4 planes here, 5 there, 6 but only on Tuesdays from blank country, Occasional tepid Arab support we'll send some planes, no we won't, maybe we will. Some nations flat out. Some nations opening and closing bases for use. Once (semi)self reliant nations wiping out their annual defense budgets.

France and UK on a weapon sales demo. Many nations using up all of their weapons reserves (though this may be good now that the nations have run out of munitions they are less likely to attack Lichtenstein).

This has been an entire Clusterbleep of stoopid proportion. Maybe the only good thing is that we have a better understanding of how badly our "Partner" nations have crippled themselves over the past 2 decades at the alter of social programs.

The parallels between today and the early 20th century are shocking, except the socialists wield more influence today.

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Hopefully people that can build something good

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Old 08-21-2011, 06:50 PM   #183
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Don't be dumb please. I realize you have left a lot of room open for "context" - we expect better even from you than that.
I think you misunderstood my comment.

The point being that a solid lean into an opponent at times is better than a sharp blow. This may have been a gamble, but one that has potential to pay off. The US investment is relatively small, but the EU who has more to gain short-term couldn't have done this on their own.

Surprising how the GOP has been pretty quiet eh?

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Old 08-21-2011, 08:31 PM   #184
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Do your really think that this was a solid lean? Really? It was anything but. It was a case where fortune happens to award the clumsy and impotent. Had this been anyone other than Quadafi the rebels would have been crushed months ago.

This is a blind squirrel = occasional nut. A half as$ed effort that we'll be lucky if it pays off.

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Old 08-22-2011, 09:30 PM   #185
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probably prudent to wait till you have all the facts too....oh, I forgot...we're talking Spence...

Battle for Tripoli not yet over as Gaddafi loyalists strike back - The Washington Post

hey Spence...I hope you've seen a doctor because I'm sure that thing has lasted much longer than 4 hours at this point
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Old 08-22-2011, 11:12 PM   #186
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probably prudent to wait till you have all the facts too....oh, I forgot...we're talking Spence...
He could do like you and whenever he's blatantly incorrect, just change the subject by making (what he thinks) is a unique quip.
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:53 AM   #187
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He could do like you and whenever he's blatantly incorrect, just change the subject by making (what he thinks) is a unique quip.
Is this like a typical Spence-type charge, statement or claim without any evidence to back it up?

We already know what Spence does when he is blatantly incorrect or asked a question whose answer he knows will prove him blatantly incorrect...he just ignores it and skips over to another thread with more "most economists agree, and most Americans think and Obama is exactly like Reagan except for the tan"

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Old 08-23-2011, 07:24 AM   #188
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"most economists agree, and most Americans think and Obama is exactly like Reagan except for the tan"

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Old 08-23-2011, 02:37 PM   #189
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We already know what Spence does when he is blatantly incorrect or asked a question whose answer he knows will prove him blatantly incorrect...he just ignores it and skips over to another thread with more "most economists agree, and most Americans think and Obama is exactly like Reagan except for the tan"
We all know? You should cite some examples...

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Old 08-23-2011, 02:42 PM   #190
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Do your really think that this was a solid lean? Really? It was anything but. It was a case where fortune happens to award the clumsy and impotent. Had this been anyone other than Quadafi the rebels would have been crushed months ago.

This is a blind squirrel = occasional nut. A half as$ed effort that we'll be lucky if it pays off.
While the formation of the coalition was a little clumsy, it would look as though NATO did a good job of ramping up support at the right pace to let the rebels gain momentum and establish relationships with the right people.

This wasn't dumb luck...it seems as though it was quite calculated.

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Old 08-23-2011, 02:53 PM   #191
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While the formation of the coalition was a little clumsy, it would look as though NATO did a good job of ramping up support at the right pace to let the rebels gain momentum and establish relationships with the right people.

This wasn't dumb luck...it seems as though it was quite calculated.

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That's ridiculous.

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Old 08-23-2011, 03:06 PM   #192
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That's ridiculous.
Not really.... some interesting points in here...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...08-23-06-55-06

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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:15 PM   #193
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Not really.... some interesting points in here...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...08-23-06-55-06
You're missing the point.

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Whats the point? It is ridiculous that NATO's support wasn't critical to the rebels sucess? I think w/o NATO, if they had suceeded, that would have been luck...

I'm still not in agreement with our involvement, but when given lemons, make ghadafi-aide I guess...

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Interesting article.

Libyan rebels break into Gaddafi's secret underground tunnels | Mail Online

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