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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Jim:
Serious questions, since you have basically the polar opposite view.... I ask b/c you typically answer w/o lots of cut and pastes... I really am curious as I wach the process of the primary...

1. you don't list Huntsman... if so, why? from my seat he doesn't seem to be a RINO, I just can't figure out why he is so far down... is there something I miss from this side of the aisle about him?

2. How does your faith impact Newt, particuarly his colorful past w/ wives

3. I'm not sure how the Newt Fannie/Freddie thing will play out. he says one thing (I warned of the bubble), FM/FM say the other, but... how do you reconcile the 'Frank/Dodd etc.. should be in jail' quote w/ taking 1.6? Mil from them?

Again, serious questions fueling my curiosity of the Right. I took you off ignore don't make me put you back with a diatribe on how all liberals have a mental disoder.

"1. you don't list Huntsman... if so, why? from my seat he doesn't seem to be a RINO, I just can't figure out why he is so far down... is there something I miss from this side of the aisle about him?"

I also like Huntsman, and like every GOP candidate, believe he'd be a vast improvement over Obama. But Huntsman, in my opinion, isn't in Gingrich's class...no one is. And I like Romney mostly because, since he's moderate enough to appeal to the independents, likely has the best shot at beating the Mao-ist we have in there now...

"2. How does your faith impact Newt, particuarly his colorful past w/ wives"

A fair, tough, good question.

As a devout Catholic, I don't like it. However, Gingrich's indiscretions were a long time ago, he's been happily married for many years, and he converted to Catholicism thanks to his current wife. By all accounts, he's been a serious Catholic for many years. I don't like that part of his past. But more than that, I don't like it when Democrats, who gave us Clinton, the Kennedys, and Robert Byrd, all of a sudden pretend that ethics matter.

I'd love a guy who has values and the right solutions. I also think that guy is named Marco Rubio (senator from Florida), but he's not ready yet. I personally feel our country is on the edge of an economic and ethical precipace. I think Gingrich is uniquely qualified to get us out. Just listen to how he answers questions. He doesn't simply make you afraid of the other side (which is all Obama does), he backs up his opinions with historical precedent.

"3. I'm not sure how the Newt Fannie/Freddie thing will play out. he says one thing (I warned of the bubble), FM/FM say the other, but... how do you reconcile the 'Frank/Dodd etc.. should be in jail' quote w/ taking 1.6? Mil from them?"

I'm getting up to speed on this now. As you said, Gingrich is saying one thing, others are saying something else. I don't se how he did anything unethical though. What did he do forthem to earn however much $$ it was? Did he try to fix things? Or did he tell them to sell as many subprime mortgages as possible?

Glad you took me off ignore, seriously. Those were tough, but perfectly fair, questions. And Gingrich's personal baggage, in my opinion, probbaly make him un-electable. I'm personally willing to overlook them because I think he's so uniquely qualified. Makes me a bit of a hypocrit, I admit.

Hope your holiday season is off to a good start.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

As a devout Catholic, I don't like it. However, Gingrich's indiscretions were a long time ago, he's been happily married for many years, and he converted to Catholicism thanks to his current wife.
By all accounts, he's been a serious Catholic for many years.

I did some checking b/c I was curious, they've been married 10, he's been catholic for 2.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I don't like that part of his past. But more than that, I don't like it when Democrats, who gave us Clinton, the Kennedys, and Robert Byrd, all of a sudden pretend that ethics matter.

And I don't like someone who is trying to dictate morality or guiding us from some ethical precipice, with questionable morals (i.e. who is having an affair, while going after Clinton for an affair...) that's one of the ways I will remember Newt from my formative years...

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm getting up to speed on this now. As you said, Gingrich is saying one thing, others are saying something else. I don't se how he did anything unethical though.

It remains to be seen. Do I think he did any thing illegal, No. What concerns me right now, is they (his campaign) were going to release all the FM/FM documents, and then changed their mind in a few hours... what did they find? He is saying one thing, FM/FM is claiming they hired him for 'political clout' (which in itself, Newt independent, is an issue with American Politics). You can hate Dylan Rattigan from MSNBC (and I find him annoying as hell), but his push on removing money and influence from politics is an admirable stance...

Regardless, Newt seems to have an issue of change his take on topics through time... Is he a smart guy? yes is he incredibly Politically savvy? Absolutely. Does that mean he has changed his stance a lot through the years to suit him politically... yes... I think that + personal issues = unelectable...

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Glad you took me off ignore, seriously. Those were tough, but perfectly fair, questions.

Stay away from calling all liberals names or painting with a broad brush, and it will stay that way (for now )

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Hope your holiday season is off to a good start.

you to.

[scottw]

Cain needs a teleprompter...you might recall the press frustrated with obama throughout the last campaign because while he was happy to have them sit in front of him and his teleprompter and follow him around the 57 States listening to speeches...he wasn't so generous with interviews...

some seem to forget that Obama..off teleprompter.... was..ahhhhh....not always ahhhhhh...so smooth... and benefitted from a media love fest...not the media attempts to put words in his mouth and catch him in gotcha questions day in and day out...

Politico 2008
"If Obama was covered like Clinton is, one feels certain the media focus would not have been on the questions, but on a candidate performance that at times seemed tinny, impatient and uncertain."
Obama's secret weapon: The media - John F. Harris and Jim VandeHei - POLITICO.com


Bryan...Huntsman is viewed as a Bloomberg, Chaffee, etc..."republican"...that's why he's a steady 1.7 in the polls...maybe he should become a democrat

Romney illicits trepidation that he may have some of the same leanings which is why he, while steady, can't seem to garner more traction as long as there are other solidly conservative alternatives

you may or may not have noticed but Romney and Huntsman have not been attacked in the primary for their Mormon background.....however, you can be sure that as soon as and if it appears that Romney is going to be the nominee, we'll see the Fontline Scary Mormon Specials again and all of the questions that were never asked regarding Obama's Black Liberation Theology, which should probably tell you something


whose credability has suffered more since the Cain allegations....Cain or Politico, Allred and her "client" or the anonymous for the most part women alledging all of these things...??? and Cain and the right have not had to ramp up and destroy these women as the left would have surely done

Nov 16, 2011 A Public Policy Polling survey places the former House speaker in front with 28%. Herman Cain and Mitt Romney trail him at 25% and 18%, respectively.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I did some checking b/c I was curious, they've been married 10, he's been catholic for 2.



And I don't like someone who is trying to dictate morality or guiding us from some ethical precipice, with questionable morals (i.e. who is having an affair, while going after Clinton for an affair...) that's one of the ways I will remember Newt from my formative years...




It remains to be seen. Do I think he did any thing illegal, No. What concerns me right now, is they (his campaign) were going to release all the FM/FM documents, and then changed their mind in a few hours... what did they find? He is saying one thing, FM/FM is claiming they hired him for 'political clout' (which in itself, Newt independent, is an issue with American Politics). You can hate Dylan Rattigan from MSNBC (and I find him annoying as hell), but his push on removing money and influence from politics is an admirable stance...

Regardless, Newt seems to have an issue of change his take on topics through time... Is he a smart guy? yes is he incredibly Politically savvy? Absolutely. Does that mean he has changed his stance a lot through the years to suit him politically... yes... I think that + personal issues = unelectable...


Stay away from calling all liberals names or painting with a broad brush, and it will stay that way (for now )



you to.

"And I don't like someone who is trying to dictate morality or guiding us from some ethical precipice, with questionable morals (i.e. who is having an affair, while going after Clinton for an affair...) that's one of the ways I will remember Newt from my formative years..."

Gingrich (who was having an affair) lead the charge to impeach Clinton. People who don't like Gingrich, say that makes him hypocritical. NOT SO. Clinton was NOT impeached for having an affair, the impeachable offense was LYING ABOUT IT under oath. If you can show me where Gingrich lied about his affairs under oath, then I will be the first one to call him a hypocrite. Otherwise, there's absolutely zero double standard.

When liberals stop giving blank checks to public unions, when they stop saying that conservatyives want to kill social security and medicare (when we want to fix them), when they stop calling the Tea Party racist, and most importantly, when they stop saying that terrorists have more of a right to live than unborn babies, I'll change my tune. But I'll work on my tone, I promise...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Clinton was NOT impeached for having an affair, the impeachable offense was LYING ABOUT IT under oath. If you can show me where Gingrich lied about his affairs under oath, then I will be the first one to call him a hypocrite. Otherwise, there's absolutely zero double standard.

Right. b/c the moral right would have let it slide if he just came out said "Yup, Monica smoked my pole..."

Back to work. thats enough time wasted online.....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Right. b/c the moral right would have let it slide if he just came out said "Yup, Monica smoked my pole..."

Back to work. thats enough time wasted online.....

yes...committing the act(s) and then committing perjury as the sitting President of the US was a better option

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Right. b/c the moral right would have let it slide if he just came out said "Yup, Monica smoked my pole..."

Back to work. thats enough time wasted online.....

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I'm truthfully stating what actually happened. You are the one who speculated that my side would have done no better. If Gingrich has never lied under oath, than he is in no way hypocritical for trying to impeach Clinton. Game. Set. Match.