This is pretty funny

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Its interesting to me, despite many, many posts on the subject, you never once said that Obama attending Rev. Wrights church for years said something about his character? Not a peep, you've constantly made excuses for Obama.

I think that says something about your character.

It certainly shows that I take the time to understand situations and issues.

Obama moved to south Chicago to work with the community and that Church was the cornerstone of the community. I've mentioned many times that a lot of what Wright has said has been misrepresented and yes he's said a few nutty things which Obama has stated clearly he doesn't subscribe to.

What you don't hear about though is the other 20 years...not just the few sound bites. I'll be the man has done a lot of good preaching over those years...if he's helped people live better lives and help others in the name of Jesus that has to be taken into account.

Regardless, you become a member of a church, not a groupie to the pastor. I think most people once they become a member of a church place a lot value on the congregation they're a part of.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

It certainly shows that I take the time to understand situations and issues.

Obama moved to south Chicago to work with the community and that Church was the cornerstone of the community. I've mentioned many times that a lot of what Wright has said has been misrepresented and yes he's said a few nutty things which Obama has stated clearly he doesn't subscribe to.

What you don't hear about though is the other 20 years...not just the few sound bites. I'll be the man has done a lot of good preaching over those years...if he's helped people live better lives and help others in the name of Jesus that has to be taken into account.

Regardless, you become a member of a church, not a groupie to the pastor. I think most people once they become a member of a church place a lot value on the congregation they're a part of.

-spence

would you let someone who said those things, regardless of the context, baptise your children? perform your marriage?
Shows a lot about O's character.
Someone of character would have distanced himself from such a person.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

would you let someone who said those things, regardless of the context, baptise your children? perform your marriage?
Shows a lot about O's character.
Someone of character would have distanced himself from such a person.

Obama was certainly married and I believe had his children baptized before the controversial remarks that gained media attention were made.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Obama was certainly married and I believe had his children baptized before the controversial remarks that gained media attention were made.

-spence

Can you prove this Spence? Or are you just "betting" again, because your oversimplified worldview cannot, will not, ever concede big blunders by Obama.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Can you prove this Spence? Or are you just "betting" again, because your oversimplified worldview cannot, will not, ever concede big blunders by Obama.

Obama's daughters were both born before 9/11, the most controversial comments were made after 9/11.

According to the Trinity church website, they perform infant baptisms and will baptize others in lake Michigan.

Most people I know who are active church members have their children baptized as infants, and considering Obama was a State Senator at the time one would think having them baptized in lake Michigan if they were older would be news worthy...yet there's no news.

So it's a very reasonable assumption that Obama's children were baptized before the comments that got so much air play were made. Add to that the fact that Obama has stated he didn't even attend those sermons, and that they didn't become a big deal until he ran for POTUS.

So it's also a very reasonable assumption that Obama wasn't even aware regardless.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It certainly shows that I take the time to understand situations and issues.

Obama moved to south Chicago to work with the community and that Church was the cornerstone of the community. I've mentioned many times that a lot of what Wright has said has been misrepresented and yes he's said a few nutty things which Obama has stated clearly he doesn't subscribe to.

What you don't hear about though is the other 20 years...not just the few sound bites. I'll be the man has done a lot of good preaching over those years...if he's helped people live better lives and help others in the name of Jesus that has to be taken into account.

Regardless, you become a member of a church, not a groupie to the pastor. I think most people once they become a member of a church place a lot value on the congregation they're a part of.

-spence

Spence -

First, you say you have taken the time to understand the issue. Then, you say that "you bet" he has done some good preaching. In one sentence you say that you learned the facts, the next sentence you start off by admitting you have no idea what the facts are, but that you're betting the facts make Obama look like something other than a jerk. You can't have it both ways Spence. Either yhou know the facts, or you will blindly speculate that Obama is flawless.

"I'll bet the man has done a lot of good preaching over those years"

Spence is "betting" that Wright has done a lot of good preaching. Why does Spence make this bet? Because it makes Obama look good! In spenceworld, you cannot say anything bad about Obama, remember...

"if he's helped people live better lives and help others in the name of Jesus that has to be taken into account."

Spence, with Romney's dog thing, you said the decision to put the dog on the roof says a lot about Romney's character. Well Spence, USING YOUR LOGIC, I bet Romney did a lot of good things with that dog, too. I mean, they took the dog to a cabin in the woods, I'm sure the Irish setter had a good time there. Using your logic, "that has to be taken into account.", right? RIGHT??!!

In Spenceworld, Obama's bad things need to be offset by his good qualities! But Romney's bad things can be looked at in isolation, to attack him.

Do I have that about right, Spence?

I mean, MY GOD Spence. Do you listen to yourself?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

What you don't hear about though is the other 20 years...not just the few sound bites.

-spence

I betcha there was a mad scramble at his church to shred his past
sermons when it hit the fan.