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Old 03-02-2012, 09:09 AM   #1
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Jim: Simple question.

Has there ever been something that you vehamently disagreed with, that your priest said during mass?

If so would you switch parishes?

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Old 03-02-2012, 09:41 AM   #2
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Jim: Simple question.

Has there ever been something that you vehamently disagreed with, that your priest said during mass?

If so would you switch parishes?
"Has there ever been something that you vehamently disagreed with, that your priest said during mass? "

I have never, ever heard a priest say something as offensive as "the federal government invented the AIDS virus to kill blacks". If I heard a priest say that, I'd be gone that second. SURE AS HELL, I wouldn't be calling that kook my spiritual advisor, and I wouldn't let him marry me or baptize my kids.

Rev Wright is not a rogue priest within the Black Liberation Theology religion. He is a hero within that religion.

"If so would you switch parishes?"

Damn right I would. And if the religion believed what the priest said, I'd switch religions.

I'm not brainwashed by Catholicism. I choose to be Catholic because I have decided that Catholicism fits my beliefs. When Catholicism stops fitting my beliefs, I'll stop being Catholic.

For example, I'm not pro-life because I'm Catholic. Rather, I chose Catholicism because I am pro-life. If the church changes its position on abortion, I leave the church, I won't become pro-choice.

I'm not a lemming, and I'm not a hypocrit.
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Damn right I would. And if the religion believed what the priest said, I'd switch religions.

I'm not brainwashed by Catholicism. I choose to be Catholic because I have decided that Catholicism fits my beliefs. When Catholicism stops fitting my beliefs, I'll stop being Catholic.

I'm not a lemming, and I'm not a hypocrit.
Fair answer. Never accused you of being a hypocrit. You are stong in your faith.

What about the handling of the priest-abuse scandal? Did that give you pause over the handling of this?

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Old 03-02-2012, 01:51 PM   #4
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Fair answer. Never accused you of being a hypocrit. You are stong in your faith.

What about the handling of the priest-abuse scandal? Did that give you pause over the handling of this?
A tough but fair question.

First, let me say that I hope all the priests who abused kids rot in hell, and I hope we give the victims all the asupport we can.

That being said...

The media, particularly in Massachusetts and CT, has made a huge deal out of the story, and rightly so. But the story has been massively distorted . To read the papers, you'd think this was a uniquely (or almost uniquely) Catholic problem. However, the statistics show that rates of pedophilia are HIGHER among public schollteachers than they are among Catholic priests. Yet the media coverage of this scandal is almost uniqely focused on Catholic priests...my conclusion (and I don't see an alternative) is that it's a smear campaign, otherwise why single out abuse by priests, and why ignore the fact that it hapens more frequently with teachers? The pedophilia isn't a Catholic problem, it was a larger societal problem. Anyone who refers to Catholics (or priests) as a group, as child molesters, should also feel that public schoolteachers are child molesters. But I've never heard that claim in the media, not once.

Also, the rates of peedophilia are similar in other major religions, yet the overwhelming focus has been on Catholics. The media is liberal, and they hate my church (this is also shown in the recent coverage of the contraception issue, where the media focuses on the Church's "antiquated" beliefs, when ALL that matters in the Constitution and the freedom of religion guaranteed therein).

I also hate how the problem was handled in my church, meaning the bishops who just moved the priests from parish to parish (which, by the way, is what happened with public teachers in the 1960's). All I can say is that involved a small handful of bishops who have bene dealt with,. though not dealt with they way my Marine training would respond.

I hate that kids were abused by priests. It makes me sick to my stomach. I also hate the way this story has been distorted.

Yesterday in CT, lots or my fellow citizens (including many non-Catholics) got great services compliments of the Catholic church. Lots of hungry people got free food at Catholic soup kitchens. Lots of homeless folks got a free bed at Catholic shelters. Lots of poor people got free healthcare at Catholic hospitals. Lots of couples got adoption services from the Catholic organizations. And lots of kids got a great education at Catholic schools. My Church does an enormous amount of good.

Catholics are humans, which means we ain't perfect. We screw up royally sometimes. But rather than sitting around and complaning, we actually roll up our sleeves and do something about it. Some bigots watch us, wait for us to make mistakes (which of course we do), and then they pounce on it.

To answer your question, I wouldn't abandon my church over the horrible abuse, no sooner than I would say we need to shut down public schools. The numbers suggest your kid is more at risk in public schools, but no one cares to talk about that. I can only speculate why.
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I also hate how the problem was handled in my church, meaning the bishops who just moved the priests from parish to parish (which, by the way, is what happened with public teachers in the 1960's). All I can say is that involved a small handful of bishops who have bene dealt with,. though not dealt with they way my Marine training would respond.
The sustained coverup by church leadership was the real scandal...

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Jim: Simple question.

Has there ever been something that you vehamently disagreed with, that your priest said during mass?

If so would you switch parishes?
Bryan,

I can tell you this, every Christmas eve as a child I spent at my grandparents. In college, I was one of the only grand kids that still went to my grandparents house. There were many other places I could've went but I didnt. Well, one Christmas eve while I was 18 or 19, we're watching Harry Connick Jr Christmas special. Aaron Neville or some other black performer came out and my grandfather went on a racist rant. I told him to knock it off, I didnt want to hear that crap especially on Christmas eve, He continued. I said screw this, said goodbye to my grandmother, parents and other family and left. I wont tolerate that crap. I got up an walked out. I also lost a very high level job once but standing my ground and not backing down. I lost the job.
So to your question on church? I was in catholic school from 2nd grade to High School. Anything I vehemently disagreed with? Pretty much everything. Thats why I'm not a practicing catholic.
I'm not putting myself on a pedestal but character and integrity are things I value more that anything. I've said it 1000 times, there is no excuse for Obama or anyone in that church listened to. none.

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Bryan,

Thats why I'm not a practicing catholic.
I'm not putting myself on a pedestal but character and integrity are things I value more that anything. I've said it 1000 times, there is no excuse for Obama or anyone in that church listened to. none.
Wrong Jim. I know you are a god-hating heathen :insert sarcasm smiley here:

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