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Old 03-05-2012, 07:05 AM   #1
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That is exactly how it will happen.
ISN'T THAT HOW IT USUALLY HAPPENS ? THIS IS WHY CANDIDATES SPEND MORE TIME TELLING YOU WHY YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR THE OTHER GUY(S) RATHER THAN WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR THEM THE TRACK RECORD BEING JUDGED IS THAT OF THE INCUMBANT....AND MANY WILL VOTE AGAINST THAT TRACK RECORD AND CONTINUING THE POLICIES AND TRAJECTORY

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Old 03-05-2012, 09:28 AM   #2
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LOL Rav, I gotta drive my "Humaround" down to the
computer store and get one a those spell check thing a ma jigs.
Seriously though, my spelling is horrible lately.

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Old 03-05-2012, 09:35 AM   #3
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ISN'T THAT HOW IT USUALLY HAPPENS ? THIS IS WHY CANDIDATES SPEND MORE TIME TELLING YOU WHY YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR THE OTHER GUY(S) RATHER THAN WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR THEM THE TRACK RECORD BEING JUDGED IS THAT OF THE INCUMBANT....AND MANY WILL VOTE AGAINST THAT TRACK RECORD AND CONTINUING THE POLICIES AND TRAJECTORY
Thus the principle issue with our political candidates, the perpetual "I'm not as bad as he is" approach. One of these days, we will hopefully get away from the negative campaigns and people will actually campaign on their own merit, not an implied lack of merit with their opponent.

During the last election, I asked a friend why he was voting for McCain and his reply started, "well Obama... " You hear it time and time again, "I'm voting for so and so because that other guy sucks."

It's the same in how people defend the political party or politicians they align with. This forum is a perfect example. If there is a criticism of a Republican, the first reply is typically spun into something about Obama. Our expectations have gotten so low when it comes to our elected officials that it's almost impossible to defend the officials we support on their own merits.

We are stuck in a perpetual situation of electing the "lessor of two evils."
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:39 AM   #4
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Thus the principle issue with our political candidates, the perpetual "I'm not as bad as he is" approach. One of these days, we will hopefully get away from the negative campaigns and people will actually campaign on their own merit, not an implied lack of merit with their opponent.
Amen, JD.

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One of these days, we will hopefully get away from the negative campaigns and people will actually campaign on their own merit, not an implied lack of merit with their opponent.
right... don't count on it......

The Election of 1828 Was Marked By Dirty Tactics
The Campaign That Elected Andrew Jackson President Was Brutal

By Robert McNamara

The election of 1828 was significant as it heralded a profound change with the election of a man widely viewed as a champion of the common people. But that year's campaigning was also noteworthy for the intense personal attacks widely employed by the supporters of both candidates.

The incumbent John Quincy Adams and the challenger Andrew Jackson, could not have been more different. And perhaps the one thing they had in common was that they both had long careers of public service, one diplomatic and one military.

By the time the votes were cast, both men would have wild stories circulated about their pasts, with lurid charges of murder, adultery, and procuring of women being plastered across the pages of partisan newspapers.

Background to the Election of 1828

The two opponents in the election of 1828 had faced each other before, in the election of 1824, a peculiar affair which became known as “The Corrupt Bargain.” The 1824 race had to be decided in the House of Representatives, and it was widely believed that Speaker of the House Henry Clay had used his considerable influence to give the victory to John Quincy Adams.

Jackson's furious campaign against Adams essentially resumed as soon as Adams took office in 1825, as "Old Hickory" and his supporters worked diligently to line up support around the country. While Jackson’s natural power base was in the south and among rural voters, he managed to align himself with the New York political power broker Martin Van Buren. With Van Buren’s guidance, Jackson was able to appeal to working people in the north.

The 1828 Campaign Takes Shape

In 1827 supporters in both the Adams and Jackson camps began concerted efforts to undermine the character of the opponent. Even though the two candidates had strong differences on substantial issues, the resulting campaign turned out to be based on personalities and tactics which were outrageously underhanded.

The 1824 election had not been marked with strong party affiliations. But during the Adams administration the defenders of the status quo began calling themselves "National Republicans." Their opponents began calling themselves "Democratic Republicans," which was soon shortened to Democrats.

The 1828 election was thus a return to a two-party system, and was the precursor of the familiar two-party system we know today.

Careers Become Fodder for Attacks

For those who detested Andrew Jackson, there was a goldmine of material, as Jackson was famed for his incendiary temper and had led a life filled with violence and controversy. He had taken part in several duels, killing a man in a notorious one in 1806. When commanding troops in 1815, he had ordered the execution of militia members accused of desertion. Even Jackson’s marriage became fodder for campaign attacks.

Those opposed to John Quincy Adams mocked him as an elitist. The refinement and intelligence of Adams were turned against him. And he was even derided as a “Yankee,” at a time when that connoted shopkeepers reputed to take advantage of consumers.

Coffin Handbills and Adultery Rumors

Andrew Jackson’s reputation as a national hero was based on his military career, as he had been the hero of the Battle of New Orleans, the final action of the War of 1812. His military glory was turned against him when a Philadelphia printer named John Binns published the notorious “coffin handbill,” a poster showing six black coffins and claiming the militiamen Jackson had ordered executed had essentially been murdered.

Jackson's wife Rachel had been married to another man before Jackson, and a question arose about when her first husband had divorced her and when she began living with Jackson. The explanation was that Jackson and his wife believed she had been divorced when they first married, but there was (and still is) some legitimate doubt about the timing.

Jackson’s marriage on the frontier nearly 40 years earlier became a major issue in the 1828 campaign. He was accused of adultery and vilified for running off with another man’s wife. And his wife was accused of bigamy.

Attacks on John Quincy Adams

John Quincy Adams, the son of founding father and second president John Adams, began his career in public service by working as the secretary to the American envoy to Russia when he was still a teenager. He had an illustrious career as a diplomat, which formed the basis for his later career in politics.

The supporters of Andrew Jackson began spreading a rumor that Adams, while serving as American ambassador to Russia, had procured an American girl for the sexual services of the Russian czar. The attack was no doubt baseless, but the Jacksonians delighted in it, even calling Adams a “pimp” and claiming that procuring women explained his great success as a diplomat.

Adams was also attacked for having a billiard table in the White House and allegedly charging the government for it. It was true that Adams played billiards in the White House, but he paid for the table with his own funds.

Adams Recoils, Jackson Participates

As these scurrilous charges appeared in the pages of partisan newspapers, John Quincy Adams reacted by refusing to get involved with the campaign tactics. He was so offended by what was happening that he even refused to write in the pages of his diary from August 1828 until after the election.

Jackson, on the other hand, was so furious about the attacks on himself and his wife that he got more involved. He wrote to newspaper editors giving them guidelines on how attacks should be countered and how their own attacks should proceed.

Jackson Wins the Election of 1828

Jackson's appeal to the "common folk" served him well and he handily won the popular vote and the electoral vote. It came at a price, however. His wife Rachel suffered a heart attack and died before the inauguration, and Jackson always blamed his political enemies for her death.

When Jackson arrived in Washington for his inauguration he refused to pay the customary courtesy call on the outgoing president. And John Quincy Adams reciprocated by refusing to attend the inauguration of Jackson. The 1828 campaign stayed bitter and nasty to the end.
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THE TRACK RECORD BEING JUDGED IS THAT OF THE INCUMBANT....AND MANY WILL VOTE AGAINST THAT TRACK RECORD AND CONTINUING THE POLICIES AND TRAJECTORY
For sure. Except for this forum, I haven't heard any one say a good thing
about Obama for a over a year, and that includes a discussion as late as last Saturday morning with customers waiting on line at the Bagel Shop.

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For sure. Except for this forum, I haven't heard any one say a good thing
about Obama for a over a year, and that includes a discussion as late as last Saturday morning with customers waiting on line at the Bagel Shop.
Republicans are much more vocal with what they believe, and they're a lot more aggressive if you disagree with them. So democrats just shut their mouths and pull the lever.
Reagan pre-dated the rise of Christian Conservatism, and he just destroyed Carter in the debates.
Republicans have to wind in the religious nuts and put somebody out there talking dollars. Think Reagan's, Goldwater's brand of conservatism, not Palin's, Santorum's brand of conservatism.

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Think Reagan's, Goldwater's brand of conservatism, not Palin's, Santorum's brand of conservatism.
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Republicans are much more vocal with what they believe, and they're a lot more aggressive if you disagree with them. So democrats just shut their mouths and pull the lever.
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That might well be the most stunningly inaccurate thing I've ever heard. Anarchy has become almost synonymous with the word "liberal".

"democrats just shut their mouths and pull the lever". Yeah, we never hear a peep from Democrats like Al Sharpton, or the Hollywood crowd...

Democrats are peaceful in their dissent? You mean those same Occupiers who took over the Brooklyn Bridge?

When was the last time you ever heard of a right-wing riot? Earth to Joe...it almost never happens.

When was the last time a liberal tried to speak, at say a college, and the stage was stormed by conservative protesters? Why is it always the liberals who storm the stage to keep conservatives from speaking?

I've heard some strange things here. I've never heard anyone suggest that conservatives are more feral or anarchist than liberals.

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Old 03-06-2012, 11:46 AM   #10
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That might well be the most stunningly inaccurate thing I've ever heard. Anarchy has become almost synonymous with the word "liberal".

"democrats just shut their mouths and pull the lever". Yeah, we never hear a peep from Democrats like Al Sharpton, or the Hollywood crowd...

Democrats are peaceful in their dissent? You mean those same Occupiers who took over the Brooklyn Bridge?

When was the last time you ever heard of a right-wing riot? Earth to Joe...it almost never happens.

When was the last time a liberal tried to speak, at say a college, and the stage was stormed by conservative protesters? Why is it always the liberals who storm the stage to keep conservatives from speaking?

I've heard some strange things here. I've never heard anyone suggest that conservatives are more feral or anarchist than liberals.
Joe, I was going to reply but Jim basically covered it. Most liberals I know are very vocal. Do you remember all the anti - bush bumper stickers? How about the unions? Media? Look at the aderserial language Obama has used! I dont recall that with other presidents. I feel I've spent years defending my beliefs from loons.

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Joe, I was going to reply but Jim basically covered it. Most liberals I know are very vocal. Do you remember all the anti - bush bumper stickers? How about the unions? Media? Look at the aderserial language Obama has used! I dont recall that with other presidents. I feel I've spent years defending my beliefs from loons.

How could I foeget about my favorite bunch, public labor unions. Remember what they did at the Ohio state capital recently? Their governor wanted public employees to contribute 5 cents a month to their bloated pensions, and they went berserk (Zimmy, this is hyperbole).
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