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05-31-2012, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Before I left my last company, this is exactly what I was suggesting to my business partner. At the time, the company was under the threshold number of employees for ObamaCare but any expansion and it would make far more sense to not provide health care and pay the penalty (read as: tax).
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I'd really like for Spence or Zimmy to respond to your post, and tell me why I should believe Obama's claim that Obamacare will lower costs.
No one, not even supreme beings like Obama, can add folks to the rolls and expand coverage, for less money. Not unless we all go to Guatemala for medical care.
Obama had a Democrat-controlled legislature for two full years. And his single prominent legislative achievement is (1) not going to reduce costs as claimed, and (2) about to be deemed illegal by the Supreme Court.
Other than the fact that Obamacare is (1) not working as advertised, and (2) illegal, it's great, though. |
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05-31-2012, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Obama had a Democrat-controlled legislature for two full years. And his single prominent legislative achievement is (1) not going to reduce costs as claimed, and (2) about to be deemed illegal by the Supreme Court.
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Yup, two years while he had the majority wasted, when he could and should of been working on jobs and the economy. Too little too late. |
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05-31-2012, 01:20 PM
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Location: Mansfield, MA
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
I'd really like for Spence or Zimmy to respond to your post, and tell me why I should believe Obama's claim that Obamacare will lower costs.
No one, not even supreme beings like Obama, can add folks to the rolls and expand coverage, for less money. Not unless we all go to Guatemala for medical care.
Obama had a Democrat-controlled legislature for two full years. And his single prominent legislative achievement is (1) not going to reduce costs as claimed, and (2) about to be deemed illegal by the Supreme Court.
Other than the fact that Obamacare is (1) not working as advertised, and (2) illegal, it's great, though.
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How about this??? (emphasis mine)
Maine deregulates the insurance market. Premiums fall.
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When the 2010 electoral wave carried in Republican Governor Paul LePage and a GOP legislature, and they took modest steps to deregulate the insurance market. Insurers are now allowed to sell policies for premiums that range from 3 to 1 on the basis of age, rather than the prior 1.5 to 1, and to offer incentives or discounts for consumers to choose high-value providers.
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The returns are now rolling in for the new coverage that can be offered starting on July 1, and premiums are falling by as much as 69% for Maine's dominant insurer, Anthem.
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ObamaCare in Reverse - Johnny Fever - Open Salon |
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05-31-2012, 01:39 PM
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Location: Bethany CT
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
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But, if Obama care can make someones prices double, how can they be going down somewhere else This is some funny shizzle.
Electricity deregualtion sure was a boon to consumers. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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05-31-2012, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
But, if Obama care can make someones prices double, how can they be going down somewhere else This is some funny shizzle.
Electricity deregualtion sure was a boon to consumers.
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You might have answered your own question in your previous post:
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Any chance you can specify how the health care bill caused the change in price? Most of the bill doesn't even start to go into effect until after 2013.
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05-31-2012, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
You might have answered your own question in your previous post:
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So then the whole premise of the original post is invalid. I wasn't even 100% sure it was since the details of it are nonexistent, but I am glad to find out that I was correct.
I think I will call up one of the national right wing wack jobs and tell them "as a youngish aged Christian, my health care costs have gone up 300% since the law passed, and the moon slowed its orbit around the Earth." That'll get em going. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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06-01-2012, 07:08 AM
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Location: Gloucester Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by zimmy
So then the whole premise of the original post is invalid. I wasn't even 100% sure it was since the details of it are nonexistent, but I am glad to find out that I was correct.
I think I will call up one of the national right wing wack jobs and tell them "as a youngish aged Christian, my health care costs have gone up 300% since the law passed, and the moon slowed its orbit around the Earth." That'll get em going.
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U R not correct!  |
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05-31-2012, 02:03 PM
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Our State deregulated Auto insurance a while back and my premiums
dropped from $2,000/yr to $1,100/yr for my car and truck.
The Administration has it arse backwards, allow interstate health insurance competition and Tort reform FIRST before spending 2 years concocking some 3,000 page program that no one has a clue of it's entireity.
But common sense like that has been too much to ask for.
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05-31-2012, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by justplugit
Our State deregulated Auto insurance a while back and my premiums
dropped from $2,000/yr to $1,100/yr for my car and truck.
The Administration has it arse backwards, allow interstate health insurance competition and Tort reform FIRST before spending 2 years concocking some 3,000 page program that no one has a clue of it's entireity.
But common sense like that has been too much to ask for.
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Exact same auto policy? By the way, I hear common sense tossed around all the time in this forum. Common sense says that one should not fall for the bs that a law that hasn't taken affect is the reason that some random persons health care costs doubled. Common sense says people should actually investigate the details of claims, analyze actual costs/effects etc. before drawing conclusions. Common sense isn't very common, but it is sure brought up all the time. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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06-01-2012, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Exact same auto policy? .
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Same Agent, same coverage, different company. |
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06-01-2012, 09:36 AM
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Location: Bethany CT
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Originally Posted by justplugit
Same Agent, same coverage, different company.
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That is pretty nice difference. I had to look into it, since dereg happened since I moved out of mass. Sounds like the average premium has decrease 12%, which is still pretty good. The state setting prices was stupid. For some reason, I can't seem to find what the set prices for health care under the new law are. |
No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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