Obama's Healthcare

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

How about this??? (emphasis mine)

Maine deregulates the insurance market. Premiums fall.


ObamaCare in Reverse - Johnny Fever - Open Salon

But, if Obama care can make someones prices double, how can they be going down somewhere else This is some funny shizzle.

Electricity deregualtion sure was a boon to consumers.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by zimmy

But, if Obama care can make someones prices double, how can they be going down somewhere else This is some funny shizzle.

Electricity deregualtion sure was a boon to consumers.

You might have answered your own question in your previous post:

Originally Posted by zimmy

Any chance you can specify how the health care bill caused the change in price? Most of the bill doesn't even start to go into effect until after 2013.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

You might have answered your own question in your previous post:

So then the whole premise of the original post is invalid. I wasn't even 100% sure it was since the details of it are nonexistent, but I am glad to find out that I was correct.
I think I will call up one of the national right wing wack jobs and tell them "as a youngish aged Christian, my health care costs have gone up 300% since the law passed, and the moon slowed its orbit around the Earth." That'll get em going.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by zimmy

So then the whole premise of the original post is invalid. I wasn't even 100% sure it was since the details of it are nonexistent, but I am glad to find out that I was correct.
I think I will call up one of the national right wing wack jobs and tell them "as a youngish aged Christian, my health care costs have gone up 300% since the law passed, and the moon slowed its orbit around the Earth." That'll get em going.

U R not correct!

[Fly Rod]

Here it is Zimmy:

Christian College Says ObamaCare Will Double Insurance Costs | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

and you can not just go by the state of Maine, did they invent the "Tooth Brush."

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Here it is Zimmy:

Christian College Says ObamaCare Will Double Insurance Costs | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

and you can not just go by the state of Maine, did they invent the "Tooth Brush."

Too bad the article doesn't specifically state why the cost increased at this school. What component of the law went in to effect that changed the premium? Did the school have other options available that the school chose not to pursue?

"The college said even though students will pay a higher price, they will also get better benefits. The letter to students explained that the $115 per month charge is “particularly inexpensive compared to the cost of most plans (usually at $400 per month for an individual).”

I wonder how many of these basic questions fox news asked? Almost certainly, none. Better to run with it since it fits the mantra of farse and unbalanced news.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Too bad the article doesn't specifically state why the cost increased at this school. What component of the law went in to effect that changed the premium? Did the school have other options available that the school chose not to pursue?

"The college said even though students will pay a higher price, they will also get better benefits. The letter to students explained that the $115 per month charge is “particularly inexpensive compared to the cost of most plans (usually at $400 per month for an individual).”

I wonder how many of these basic questions fox news asked? Almost certainly, none. Better to run with it since it fits the mantra of farse and unbalanced news.

Zimmy, how is this for you?

Non-Partisan CBO Director Says ObamaCare Will Raise Costs | Speaker.gov

Some quotes...

"Douglas Elmendorf, the independent, non-partisan head of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) provided further confirmation that ObamaCare will increase health care costs"

" Towers Watson study, which found near unanimity among businesses that ObamaCare will accelerate health care costs"

"devastating report by the Obama Administration’s own Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) that concluded the law will raise Americans’ health care costs"

Zimmy, how much evidence do you need, in addition to basic common sense, before you admit that ObamaCare will increase costs?

I'm not saying that spending money to save people is bad...quite the contrary. Bush spent a ton of money in Africa to fight AIDS, and he is credited with saving one million lives in Africa. That's money well spent, in my opinion. If my taxes increase to save one million lives, great!

I'm not upset, in and of itself, that Obamacare will cost more. I'm upset that Obama said with a straight face that it would lower costs. Everyone not blinded by ideology knew that was wrong, and now we have a Himalayan mountain of evidence to prove it's wrong. Zimmy, I don't think even Obama is still claiming costs will go down. But you go on believing it, just because it makes him look good.

[justplugit]

Our State deregulated Auto insurance a while back and my premiums
dropped from $2,000/yr to $1,100/yr for my car and truck.

The Administration has it arse backwards, allow interstate health insurance competition and Tort reform FIRST before spending 2 years concocking some 3,000 page program that no one has a clue of it's entireity.
But common sense like that has been too much to ask for.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Our State deregulated Auto insurance a while back and my premiums
dropped from $2,000/yr to $1,100/yr for my car and truck.

The Administration has it arse backwards, allow interstate health insurance competition and Tort reform FIRST before spending 2 years concocking some 3,000 page program that no one has a clue of it's entireity.
But common sense like that has been too much to ask for.

Exact same auto policy? By the way, I hear common sense tossed around all the time in this forum. Common sense says that one should not fall for the bs that a law that hasn't taken affect is the reason that some random persons health care costs doubled. Common sense says people should actually investigate the details of claims, analyze actual costs/effects etc. before drawing conclusions. Common sense isn't very common, but it is sure brought up all the time.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Exact same auto policy? .

Same Agent, same coverage, different company.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Same Agent, same coverage, different company.

That is pretty nice difference. I had to look into it, since dereg happened since I moved out of mass. Sounds like the average premium has decrease 12%, which is still pretty good. The state setting prices was stupid. For some reason, I can't seem to find what the set prices for health care under the new law are.