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Old 08-12-2012, 11:02 AM   #11
Jim in CT
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Originally Posted by spence View Post
I doubt he even read my post.

Obama has laid out numerous proposals to bolster Medicare. From negotiation of drug prices, ending insurance over payments through Medicare Advantage, cost controls when rates increase faster than 1% of GDP, programs to improve accuracy of care and coordination to eliminate redundant services etc...

Does this represent a proposed "fix"? I don't think anyone could propose a real fix. A fundamental question is if you believe Medicare is a compact to ensure you'll have health care when at the end of your life you likely won't be able to afford it.

Don't forget as well that under it all is the HCB. From what I've read about the Ryan plan, there are numerous pieces of the Obama plan (like exchanges) that Ryan would need to reuse.

The GOP could be in a pickle when people get down to the details and realize there's more similarities under the covers.

-spence
"I doubt he even read my post."

Sure I did. Unlike you, I read, and I answer the questions asked. You said Ryan's plan was not serious.

"Obama has laid out numerous proposals to bolster Medicare"

None of them have cause the actuaries to conclude that Medicare is in better financial shape than it was before....Ryan claims his plan addresses the long-term crisis that's coming.

"A fundamental question is if you believe Medicare is a compact to ensure you'll have health care when at the end of your life you likely won't be able to afford it."

No. here is the real question...if Medicare is in the red to the tune of $100,000 for each one of us, what do we do?

Spence, I don't pretend to have any answers here. But i do know that attacking the once-in-a-generation politician who admits we have a problem, is not itself a solution.

Again, you pose it as a touching, emotionsl, gut-wrenching scenario about medical care for those who need it. And of course, that's a big part of this. But you (and Obama) never, ever, ever address the underlying debt. So another question is, do we bankruypot the next generation to take care of Baby Boomers?

I don't know the answer. But unlike you, I (and Paul Ryan) are asking the question.

"The GOP could be in a pickle..."

$15 trillion in debt, another $40 trillion in unfunded liabilities. we're all in a pickle, Spence. The democrat plan is to bury their heads in the sand, only to emerge to say that Republicans hate poor people and old people. That's not my idea of decisive leadership. Obama's dodge-and-demonize approach works on a lot of people like you (and you're not stupid), that doesn't mean it's effective leadership.
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