Over the fiscal cliff we go!!!!

[nightfighter]

It's all disgusting to me. We've all seen how past voting records have been used as weapons in elections. There is not one member of Congress that isn't weighing that, partisan politics, and their own pocketbook into their vote. Accountability and "transparency" are actually working against getting the right thing done here. I say lock them in a joint session until they get an agreement, no media, and have a non partisan arm such as the Supreme Court be the vehicle to deliver the voted bill to the president's desk. Maybe then we could get these jackwads to do something without the fear of culpability to their party and those they "owe."

[JohnR]

The Fiscal cliff and the Debt Ceiling are but two minor annoyances compared to the real problem facing us: The Total Fiscal Liability of our country. Take every last dollar everyone in the country earns this year and it does not solve the problem.

We're broke. Shut it down. Bye. See Ya.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The Fiscal cliff and the Debt Ceiling are but two minor annoyances compared to the real problem facing us: The Total Fiscal Liability of our country. Take every last dollar everyone in the country earns this year and it does not solve the problem.

We're broke. Shut it down. Bye. See Ya.

Apparently, nothing is going to be shut down. The military will shrink a bit, just about everything else will continue to grow including the deficit and the debt. And now that Obama and the Dems have got what they wanted by not really negotiating, why would they do so to lower spending significantly? And the debt ceiling will probably get raised, if not by congress, then by some shenanigan such as an executive order, etc. And we will not notice the costs to the economy, and to the employment rate, and the higher tax burdens for everybody who pays taxes, and the higher prices and cost of living because it will all be recognized as the new norm. And the Republicans will have been marginalized, if not destroyed, as a political force, reverting back to their role as the little loyal opposition ala the 1960's and 70's. The SCOTUS will be packed with left wing, anti-constitutional ideologues, so will also not be a threat to the new regime. Economic math will be irrelevant since the phenomenon, with our full-fledged entry into the planetary fiscal abyss, will truly be world-wide and compared to the rest we might be a bit better off so the 51% and growing that decide elections will think we are doing well and will continue to vote for the progressive politicians with whom they have formed an unbreakable symbiotic relationship of give to me and I will vote for you.

Unless, as you have pointed out, a new Reagan who is articulate and charismatic enough will come to the temporary rescue. The Republicans, or whoever rises from the ashes of that party's destruction, will have to once again realize that the people will vote for a truly different and optimistic agenda driven by leaders who believe in our historic American agenda, not in the copy-cat leftovers of the left. If they want power again, temporary as it always is, they have to part with the idea that they must be more like Democrats. The 51% will rather vote for the real thing.

[scottw]

all set...we're good...higher taxes, a boatload of new spending and the unemployed can happily remain unemployed for another year, I guess that is to offset all of the new revenue...we'll talk about mundane topics like spending reductions in a couple of months when we discuss increasing the debt ceiling...again......which I guess makes a lot of sense...talking about possible cuts when you are simultaneously planning and expected to borrow even more money and go further into debt

but who is counting anyway?

Obama Returns to Hawaii at an Added Cost of Over $3 Million
by Keith Koffler on January 2, 2013, 5:58 am

In a move that is rich in irony, President Obama this morning agreed to sign an emergency deficit reduction bill that does almost nothing to rein in spending and then jetted out to Hawaii to resume his vacation at an extra cost of more than $3 million to taxpayers.

The price tag is in addition to more than $4 million that is already being spent on the Obamas’ Hawaii idyll, bringing the total cost of the excursion to well over $7 million.

[justplugit]

[QUOTE=nightfighter;977475 There is not one member of Congress that isn't weighing that,
partisan politics, and their own pocketbook into their vote. [/QUOTE]

And threrin lies the problem, NOT the Constitution, but the current elected officials sworn to uphold it.
The Constitution was a pefect document set up by the founding fathers to keep our freedom and liberty,
to be upheld by true statesmen who's sole purpose was to represent the people with honor and integrity.
Sorry to say, men like that don't exist anymore.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Sorry to say, men like that don't exist anymore.

I think they exist (Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal), it's just really hard for them to get elected. It's a whole lot easier to get elected by promising people more free stuff than the other guy, especially when the entire media (minus 1 TV station) is basically acting as a PR firm for the guy promising the free stuff.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I think they exist (Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal), it's just really hard for them to get elected. It's a whole lot easier to get elected by promising people more free stuff than the other guy, especially when the entire media (minus 1 TV station) is basically acting as a PR firm for the guy promising the free stuff.

I forget, did Paul Ryan vote for this most recent bill?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I forget, did Paul Ryan vote for this most recent bill?

You're right, you got me. If Paul Ryan voted for this bill, that must therefore mean that there's no difference between him and Nancy Pelosi. That's what you're saying? If Paul Ryan and Nancy Pelosi both voted for this bill, they are genetically indentical?

That's just brilliant.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're right, you got me. If Paul Ryan voted for this bill, that must therefore mean that there's no difference between him and Nancy Pelosi. That's what you're saying? If Paul Ryan and Nancy Pelosi both voted for this bill, they are genetically indentical?

That's just brilliant.

they are genetically equivalent. changing their views and actions to meet whomever's expectations are need to get more money in their re-election warchests

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by striperman36

they are genetically equivalent. changing their views and actions to meet whomever's expectations are need to get more money in their re-election warchests

Wrong. Agree with him or not, Ryan put his head on the chopping block when he came out and proposed cuts to Medicare. He knew he'd get attacked for it, but he did it because he knows it is necessary.

What has Pelosi ever done, that showed that kind of intellectual courage? She's a pro-union nut, who owns hotels that are not allowed to unionize. She claims to be Catholic, yet she has never met an abortion she didn't like. She condemned waterboarding, then it was proven that she signed off on it before it happened.

Paul Ryan and Nancy Pelosi aren't distinguishable? Then neither are Rachael Maddow and Kate Upton.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I forget, did Paul Ryan vote for this most recent bill?

True!!! As did Brown. Very disappointing
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