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02-18-2025, 09:00 PM
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Here’s a better peace plan for Ukraine.
“Russia, you’ve already sustained twice as many casualties as the US did in ww2. Leave Ukraine or suffer four times more, and collapse as a country in the process”
Done
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02-18-2025, 09:15 PM
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Nope it's just one of those words that's mindlessly injected into various conversations. Thought I'd try it. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, fascist, bigot, racist misogynist, blah blah. It is rather exhilarating to freely throw those words at somebody. You're a Nazi. I like it.
That’s odd I have never referred to you as any of those things. But please enjoy playing the victim
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02-18-2025, 09:35 PM
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Nope it's just one of those words that's mindlessly injected into various conversations. Thought I'd try it. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, fascist, bigot, racist misogynist, blah blah. It is rather exhilarating to freely throw those words at somebody. You're a Nazi. I like it.
That’s odd I have never referred to you as any of those things. But please enjoy playing the victim
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You don't like being called a Nazi?
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02-18-2025, 09:57 PM
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You don't like being called a Nazi?
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Call me a nazi all you like. But of course you can’t say I’ve called you
Nazi, fascist, bigot, racist misogynist…. Like I said enjoy your victim hood
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02-18-2025, 10:43 PM
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Call me a nazi all you like. But of course you can’t say I’ve called you
Nazi, fascist, bigot, racist misogynist…. Like I said enjoy your victim hood
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No but you've said other things about me, even in this thread like I wasn't too bright, or made lazy arguments, or lived in some strange nonexistent part of America . . . and you actually meant them. I didn't call you a Nazi because I thought you were, but was an example of unjustly casting you with a label meant to make you appear treacherous, evil, a threat to America. And if I were important enough, and you were running for political office, I could repeatedly tell the lie often enough so it would spread and become a believable mark of your unfitness.
Apparently, that method has been effective as witnessed by your support of and belief in the labels wrapped around Trump by his adversaries.
But that all was so transparently false that Trump was not made a victim, but rather he was made the victor.
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02-18-2025, 09:32 PM
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Trump's most genius lie has always been convincing people the Russia stuff was fake and to this day people tune out when you show them Trump and Russian #^&#^&#^&#^& happening to this very day
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02-18-2025, 09:41 PM
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It really is pathetic that the President of the United States and the richest man in the world are doing a joint interview together on Fox about how they’re running the country.
Meanwhile DOJ lawyers are claiming Musk is not doing that.
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02-18-2025, 10:01 PM
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What’s up with the POTUS a press secretary.
Leavitt is married to Nicholas Riccio, a real estate developer 32 years her senior.
And here I thought the Republicans were a party of family values and did not like pedophiles or predators.. I guess I was wrong
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02-18-2025, 11:07 PM
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What’s up with the POTUS a press secretary.
Leavitt is married to Nicholas Riccio, a real estate developer 32 years her senior.
And here I thought the Republicans were a party of family values and did not like pedophiles or predators.. I guess I was wrong
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And still are.
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02-18-2025, 10:13 PM
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Is this something that only Nazis did?
Wow that’s an amazing argument. To excuse Trump and his administrations behavior….
Why not say what about the Romans. Or how about Genghis Khan. . Pol pot Fidel Castro. Or his Besty, Vladimir Putin….
Well, now you’re a apologist? And a constitutional expert, who would have guessed
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02-18-2025, 11:23 PM
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Is this something that only Nazis did?
Wow that’s an amazing argument. To excuse Trump and his administrations behavior….
Why not say what about the Romans. Or how about Genghis Khan. . Pol pot Fidel Castro. Or his Besty, Vladimir Putin….
Well, now you’re a apologist? And a constitutional expert, who would have guessed
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Or the Brits, or the French, or the Belgians, or FDR, or LBJ, or Abe Lincoln, or Bill Clinton . . .
You're proving my point. If you can (erroneously) just as well say his actions could be all those things, and more, there must be a purpose to singling out Nazi. The actions are not specifically or particularly Nazi. As well, he has acted in ways opposite to the Nazis.
There is obviously an agenda, not truth or reality, to calling him a Nazi.
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02-19-2025, 08:54 AM
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Or the Brits, or the French, or the Belgians, or FDR, or LBJ, or Abe Lincoln, or Bill Clinton . . .
You're proving my point. If you can (erroneously) just as well say his actions could be all those things, and more, there must be a purpose to singling out Nazi. The actions are not specifically or particularly Nazi. As well, he has acted in ways opposite to the Nazis.
There is obviously an agenda, not truth or reality, to calling him a Nazi.
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So presenting facts and pointing out the obvious similarities is having an agenda?
You seem unable or un willing to see Trumps actions and deeds in their entirety.. there’s no agenda I said the same thing in 2016
If you can (erroneously) just as well say his actions could be all those things.
the Brits, or the French, or the Belgians, or FDR, or LBJ, or Abe Lincoln, or Bill Clinton . . . D
comment like above is why I find your argument lazy. Maybe I should have used lackadaisical …. It’s whatabouism at its finest.
You seem to still think .. the references to Nazi like . Isn’t based on Trumps actually actions or his supporters behavior..
And Trump won the election. No questions…. But what I can’t understand is all his rabid supporters who claim to love the constitution and the rules of law . Are cheering his anti democratic activities
He hold all the levers of power and yet there is no legislative action on the table to fix or change things others than tax cuts via the constitution that you and others claim to love? And so far have been unable to articulate why supporting the dear leader with out question… is constitutional.
So in a nutshell if Trump and Musk didn’t behave like nazis fascist misogynistic authoritarians. They possibly wouldn’t be referred to as Nazi fascist misogynistic authoritarian….
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02-18-2025, 10:23 PM
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Actions of a true not Nazi
Elon Musk • X @elonmusk • 9h
One of the first things Hitler did upon gaining power was apply aggressive censorship
Elon Musk • X @elonmusk • 4h
60 Minutes are the biggest liars in the world! They engaged in deliberate deception to interfere with the last election.
They deserve a long prison sentence.
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02-18-2025, 10:50 PM
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Actions of a true not Nazi
Elon Musk • X @elonmusk • 9h
One of the first things Hitler did upon gaining power was apply aggressive censorship
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No, aggressive censorship is not particularly a Nazi action. It is a common adversarial method used by those influential enough to use it. As witnessed by the revelations of the twitter files.
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02-18-2025, 10:58 PM
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No, aggressive censorship is not particularly a Nazi action. It is a common adversarial method used by those influential enough to use it. As witnessed by the revelations of the twitter files.
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Führerprinzip
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02-18-2025, 11:10 PM
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Führerprinzip
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02-19-2025, 02:54 AM
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Good luck.....these Hitler guys are complete jackasses. Reason doesn't work. I do appreciate your efforts...but.they are sick people and confronting them with common sense seems to worsen their symptoms.
TDS or SHS are one in the same.
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02-19-2025, 08:20 AM
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Senators have in recent days made the case to Cabinet secretaries and other Trump officials to let money flow back into their states. They are trying to finagle exceptions to President Donald Trump’s sweeping executive orders or cuts made by billionaire Elon Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service that freeze hundreds of billions of dollars, including money for farmers and infrastructure projects. That push comes as the administration has also sought to fire a wide swath of federal employees — some of whom live in red states.
Funny how that works
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02-19-2025, 09:11 AM
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No, aggressive censorship is not particularly a Nazi action. It is a common adversarial method used by those influential enough to use it. As witnessed by the revelations of the twitter files.
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Ahh, the Twitter files, we’ll get back to those shortly
The Department of Government Efficiency, the federal cost-cutting initiative championed by Elon Musk, published on Monday a list of government contracts it has canceled, together amounting to about $16 billion in savings itemized on a new “wall of receipts” on its website.
Almost half of those line-item savings could be attributed to a single $8 billion contract for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. But it appears that the DOGE list vastly overstated the actual intended value of that contract. A closer scrutiny of a federal database shows that a recent version of the contract was for $8 million, not $8 billion. A larger total savings number published on the site, $55 billion, lacked specific documentation.
A bunch of incompetent work, by people operating far beyond their capabilities.
This is absolutely the Twitter Files for the government.
Elon wanted to humiliate his enemies. But what Twitter Files showed was generally careful governance, some bad calls, & stuff taken out of context by “journalists” who didn’t understand the basics. Same here.
It’s the same methodology boosted by the same people.
Crawl through a bunch of stuff, find something that seems outrageous, make an online mob lose their minds. Destroy work, upend lives. Get it totally wrong, move to the next thing.
This time it’s not online governance, it’s actual government.
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02-19-2025, 07:33 AM
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"While Trump retains the ceremonial position of Head of State, signing executive orders with flourish and basking in symbolic pageantry, Musk has effectively become Head of Government, wielding unprecedented control over federal agencies."
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02-19-2025, 07:37 AM
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"While Trump retains the ceremonial position of Head of State, signing executive orders with flourish and basking in symbolic pageantry, Musk has effectively become Head of Government, wielding unprecedented control over federal agencies."
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More SHS.
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02-19-2025, 07:57 AM
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New polls in Germany show support for Germany's far-right AfD party (the New Not-sees) actually dropped following U.S. Vice President Mr. Hillbilly Elegy's meeting with their leader. As one internet wag observed, "Imagine being so unpopular that you make Nazis less appealing."
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02-19-2025, 08:19 AM
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Heyyyyy Wisconsin MAGA dairy farmers...how's that USAID cheese contract y'all used to bank on doing?
What? The contracts are gone and your dairy farms are going to go under? Thank DOGE!
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02-19-2025, 08:59 AM
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Echoing Kremlin, Trump blames Zelensky for war, angering Ukrainians
President Donald Trump said Volodymyr Zelensky had low approval ratings and elections were needed, statements also made in the past week by the Kremlin and disputed by Ukrainians.
Today I heard, ‘Oh, we weren’t invited,’” Trump said late Tuesday, referring to Ukraine’s complaints about being excluded from the meetings and fears that Washington and Moscow will reach a settlement to impose on Ukraine.
“Well, you’ve been there for three years, you should have ended it,” Trump said. “You should have never started it. You could have made a deal.”
Exact quote from our dear leader
So Trump thinks Russian elections are free and fair. But he’s no Russian puppet ya ok
But he’s not any of those mean references people have made against him.
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02-19-2025, 09:16 AM
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I’m some respects Trump is worse than Hitler. Hitler and his cabal figured out how to seize absolute power largely within an existing legal structure. Trump hasn’t, and our system has many more safeguards so he’s testing the limits of authority to circumvent the law.
Congress has already surrendered, if the courts don’t stand up we may never see the mid-terms.
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02-19-2025, 09:45 AM
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I’m some respects Trump is worse than Hitler. Hitler and his cabal figured out how to seize absolute power largely within an existing legal structure. Trump hasn’t, and our system has many more safeguards so he’s testing the limits of authority to circumvent the law.
Congress has already surrendered, if the courts don’t stand up we may never see the mid-terms.
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There’s a good thread on Bluesky about this by Walter Olsen
“If I'm reading the White House's fact sheet correctly -- the text of the actual EO doesn't seem to have been posted yet -- today's new executive order is momentous but not because it aggresses against the role of the courts or touches off any sort of constitutional crisis. /1”
https://bsky.app/profile/walterolson.../3liimffwsas26
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02-19-2025, 10:49 AM
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Now they’re attacking Dolly Parton
A teacher in Warrick County is speaking out after Indiana Governor Mike Braun removed Dolly Parton’s “Imagination Library” from the state’s budget.
Imagination Library is a book-gifting program for children under 5 in hopes of fostering early literacy.
With the pending removal from the state’s budget, the program will have no funding to get books into the hands of families.
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02-19-2025, 10:51 AM
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Here we go
The Trump administration has just told a federal judge in a court filing that it will not comply with the court's order to resume funding for USAID and State Department foreign assistance.
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02-19-2025, 12:07 PM
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Congratulations MAGA
FFOTUS repeats verbatim Russian propaganda
You’re now on Putin’s side
Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn't be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and "TRUMP," will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe's money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn't Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us - We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is "MISSING." He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden "like a fiddle." A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only "TRUMP," and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelenskyy probably wants to keep the "gravy train" going. I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died - And so it continues.....
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The world will never forget that the USA was in Budapest
The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with U.S. Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance, prohibited Russia, the United States and the United Kingdom from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.
At this point, Zelenskyy should not participate in any peace talks which involve the Trump administration.
He should demand that Europe lead the way-and guarantee Ukraine’s safety if a deal can be reached.
Clearly, the US is spouting Putin’s talking points and cannot be trusted to negotiate honestly.
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