Someone was listening

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Because Trump said the Nazis were very Fine People.

if that was the only thing he's ever said .. id see your point .. but clearly it is not... ..

my distain for Trump has nothing to do with him being a republican It is based 100% on his actions and behavior as Potus its not a fantasy about his place of birth .. and conspiracy crap As for my current distain for the republican party it too is based on their spineless nature towards Trump they kowtow to his words ,attacks and overall behavior .. and would not for 1 second accept it from any other POTUS or cabinet member if they were Dems or past republican office holders


do I think Trump him giving the thumbs up while holding an orphaned
baby. was deliberate

nope I think it was done without an once of malice or bad intent ...

I feel he is so disconnected by wealth and fame .. He is clueless on how normal people would behave presented with the same dilemma ... and this lack of interpersonal skills shows in all areas of his administration

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

if that was the only thing he's ever said .. id see your point ..

my distain for Trump

He didn't say it . . . most of the rest of your disdain for Trump is also based on lies, twisted interpretations (lies), circumstantial innuendoes (half truths).

But when you put it altogether in an effusion of self-righteous indignation and disdain, it almost sounds convincing . . . to some, for sure, it comes from some god-like mouth to yours as infallible truth . . . there are a lot of believers . . . and one can't argue with a true believer.

Oh wait . . . it's the Trumplicans who are the believers . . . right . . . right . . .

[PaulS]

See below for how that article started out. Doesn't sound like Pres. Trump did it willingly. This was after calling Neo Nazi's 'fine people". He had to read from a teleprompter bc if he didn't we all know he would have put his foot into his mouth again.

You might also want to read that other thread I bumped up.

Do you know where old DS has been lately?



President Donald Trump, facing mounting pressure from Republicans and Democrats alike, did what he declined to do over the weekend during an event at the White House on Monday when he directly condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis in a brief statement to reporters

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

See below for how that article started out. Doesn't sound like Pres. Trump did it willingly. This was after calling Neo Nazi's 'fine people". He had to read from a teleprompter bc if he didn't we all know he would have put his foot into his mouth again.

You might also want to read that other thread I bumped up.

Do you know where old DS has been lately?



President Donald Trump, facing mounting pressure from Republicans and Democrats alike, did what he declined to do over the weekend during an event at the White House on Monday when he directly condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis in a brief statement to reporters

however he said it, he said it two years ago. true or false?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

however he said it, he said it two years ago. true or false?
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Yes, he did after the majority of the country was in an uproar at his saying neo Nazis where some fine people.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes, he did after the majority of the country was in an uproar at his saying neo Nazis where some fine people.

Watch the video in my reply to you and tell me that is what he said, that the Neo Nazis were fine people.

Yet at LEAST you and Wayne pull this "Fine People" and "Both Sides" stunt repeatedly.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Watch the video in my reply to you and tell me that is what he said, that the Neo Nazis were fine people.

Yet at LEAST you and Wayne pull this "Fine People" and "Both Sides" stunt repeatedly.

If you think he was only defending the people who didn't want the traitor Lee statue to come down - keep believing that and keep defending him. BC I doubt there was anyone there who only thought the march was about the statue - and if there were any that naïve, then when they saw the Neo Nazis they should have left. "Jews will not replace" us should have given them a good indication it wasn't only about a statue. Trump was all over the place in that conference. He repeatedly tried to blame the "alt left" and somehow put them on equal footing w/the Neo Nazis and white supremacists.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Watch the video in my reply to you and tell me that is what he said, that the Neo Nazis were fine people.

Yet at LEAST you and Wayne pull this "Fine People" and "Both Sides" stunt repeatedly.

John your the expert when it comes to the line.. both sides do it .. you use it often

but are your suggesting Trumps racist vitriol . In no way shape or form has influenced anyone in acting violently ...?

[Pete F.]

Mayor of Dayton Nan Whaley: "I've heard that [President Trump's] coming Wednesday but I have not gotten a call. And you know he might be going to Toledo, I don't know."

[Pete F.]

White-Nationalist Terrorism Must Be Stopped
Conservatives have not been afraid to confront extremism in our world, and we must not be afraid to confront terrorism here at home.

by George P. Bush

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...topped/595471/

[Jim in CT]

Pete, for god’s sake, we have god knows how many millions of illegals
living here, and it's an enormous financial burden. it’s not racist or demanding blood, to point that out. not that there arent those that go too far, on all sides. hilary called tens of
millions of trump supporters deplorable and irredeemable, maxine waters said to let trump supporters know they aren’t welcome
Anywhere. funny i’ve never heard you complain about that. because your outrage is selective, which means it’s also fake.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

If you think he was only defending the people who didn't want the traitor Lee statue to come down - keep believing that and keep defending him. BC I doubt there was anyone there who only thought the march was about the statue - and if there were any that naïve, then when they saw the Neo Nazis they should have left. "Jews will not replace" us should have given them a good indication it wasn't only about a statue. Trump was all over the place in that conference. He repeatedly tried to blame the "alt left" and somehow put them on equal footing w/the Neo Nazis and white supremacists.

He put Antifa in the same category as Neo Nazis and White Supremacists - that is correct, no? They are all people that will use violence to further their means, right?

He said the peacefully protesting people for and against the removals of the statues were fine people, right?

That the Neo Nazis and White Supremacists as well as the Antifa people ARE the bad people, they came looking for a fight. As a result people got hurt and one woman was killed. He is not saying those people are "Fine People", not even close.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

He put Antifa in the same category as Neo Nazis and White Supremacists - that is correct, no? They are all people that will use violence to further their means, right?

He said the peacefully protesting people for and against the removals of the statues were fine people, right?

That the Neo Nazis and White Supremacists as well as the Antifa people ARE the bad people, they came looking for a fight. As a result people got hurt and one woman was killed. He is not saying those people are "Fine People", not even close.

How many people have Antifa killed?

And I'm not defending them but compared to Neo Nazis and White supremacist they are in a different class.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many people have Antifa killed?

And I'm not defending them but compared to Neo Nazis and White supremacist they are in a different class.

Ignorance on display
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ignorance on display
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funny coming from the person who knows nothing and says nothing other than childish insults. As I said I'd be embarrassed to post like you do.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, for god’s sake, we have god knows how many millions of illegals
living here, and it's an enormous financial burden. it’s not racist or demanding blood, to point that out. not that there arent those that go too far, on all sides. hilary called tens of
millions of trump supporters deplorable and irredeemable, maxine waters said to let trump supporters know they aren’t welcome
Anywhere. funny i’ve never heard you complain about that. because your outrage is selective, which means it’s also fake.
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Why are you now worried about financial burdens, the current administration is certainly not fiscally conservative. In fact no less of a right wing mouthpiece than Rush Limbaugh said:"Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it’s been around." So apparently your outrage is fake.

And speaking of selective outrage and fakery.

It seems you are also one of the same group of people that blame the “breakdown in the American family” for the mass shootings and also support a many times divorced President who sleeps with porn stars and sexually assaults women.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Why are you now worried about financial burdens, the current administration is certainly not fiscally conservative. In fact no less of a right wing mouthpiece than Rush Limbaugh said:"Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it’s been around." So apparently your outrage is fake.

And speaking of selective outrage and fakery.

It seems you are also one of the same group of people that blame the “breakdown in the American family” for the mass shootings and also support a many times divorced President who sleeps with porn stars and sexually assaults women.

you’re beyond dishonest. i’m always concerned about impossible
financial burdens. obama
added too much debt, trump
is making the same
mistake. you’re beyond cowardly, beyond being full of sh*t, you just make up gibberish as you go.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many people have Antifa killed?

And I'm not defending them but compared to Neo Nazis and White supremacist they are in a different class.

No, they are in the same class. They are people willing to resort to violence to move a political agenda. They are dangerous, they deserve zero glorification, and they deserve zero respect or accommodation. They are where actual violent communists and anarchists meet actual violent fascists.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

No, they are in the same class. They are people willing to resort to violence to move a political agenda. They are dangerous, they deserve zero glorification, and they deserve zero respect or accommodation. They are where actual violent communists and anarchists meet actual violent fascists.

Seems like right reason wrong action vs wrong reason wrong action = not the same.

Or more simply, Antifa is going to tap into a small fragment of the population who think they want to be dogooders and get a rise out of it. The white nationalist thing is pulling on the ugly roots of our broader society and is much, much more serious.

Some in the GOP have called for Antifa to be labeled a terror group. To terrorize the American people to not be Fascists? Do the math.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re beyond dishonest. i’m always concerned about impossible
financial burdens. obama
added too much debt, trump
is making the same
mistake. you’re beyond cowardly, beyond being full of sh*t, you just make up gibberish as you go.
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How am i dishonest when I cite things you've said.

Now you've, once again, fallen back on but Obama.

Limbaugh said that and he is a right wing mouthpiece, has been for years. He ranted about fiscal conservatism when it suited his rhetoric and now claims it is bogus.

Financial burdens in your mind are only those things you and Tucker judge to be unaffordable.

Remember, the great negotiator, Trump, threw away his border wall, immigration reform and more because some on the right and particularly some of his advisors will never accept any amnesty for any illegal immigration. Politics is the art of making compromise a win, and fails if the other side consistently loses.

Just keep defending Trump as usual, using false equivalents.


The market is interesting today, Trump will deny responsibility for that also.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How am i dishonest when I cite things you've said.

o.

wrong.

you claimed that “now” i’m worried
about financial burden. either show
me where i said i wasn’t previously concerned about financial burdens, or kindly say you made it up.
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[PaulS]

we can disagree on that. Antifa is a response to the neo-nazis and white supremacists. They certainly have been charged with some illegalities but I don't think there have been any people associated with antifa charged with murder
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[Got Stripers]

Words matter on BOTH sides, but those coming from the president always can do more harm or more good.
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[Got Stripers]

Dayton shooter with the rounds he had if not for the police that close would have likely killed far more than the Texas shooter, yet Moscow Mitch is sitting on legislation that certainly doesn’t address everything wrong, but does beaf up background checks.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Dayton shooter with the rounds he had if not for the police that close would have likely killed far more than the Texas shooter, yet Moscow Mitch is sitting on legislation that certainly doesn’t address everything wrong, but does beaf up background checks.
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Right, what did he do, kill 9 and wound 20+ in 30 goddamn #^&#^&#^&#^&ing seconds....
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[Pete F.]

Keep believing

After he screwed up reading the teleprompter & said “Toledo” when it said “Texas & Ohio” and had his tongue coming out again which is a classic dementia symptom, I once again remind everyone this is a man with conspicuous mental deterioration & numerous obvious signs of dementia.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Keep believing

After he screwed up reading the teleprompter & said “Toledo” when it said “Texas & Ohio” and had his tongue coming out again which is a classic dementia symptom, I once again remind everyone this is a man with conspicuous mental deterioration & numerous obvious signs of dementia.
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Your stuff is getting extremely, even psychotically, hilarious.

[Got Stripers]

Keep dancing around the main issue, there are a lot of f*ckec up white supremacy nuts, neo nazi, or just some young adult the was bullied at home or school, with so much social media influence and so many weapons of mass destruction.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Keep dancing around the main issue, there are a lot of f*ckec up white supremacy nuts, neo nazi, or just some young adult the was bullied at home or school, with so much social media influence and so many weapons of mass destruction.
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What if the Dayton Shooter turned out to be a Socialist, and a Bernie and Warren Fan? Would Trump's "invasion" or "infestation" words be responsible? Would any Trump words be responsible? Would Trump, in any way, be responsible? Would Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren be responsible?

I think the subject of this thread was about someone listening to some words, not about guns.

Who's responsible, what words are responsible for all the violence that occurs daily in this country? Trump?

The words spoken by you and PeteF over and over on this political forum are far more incendiary than words like "invasion" or "infestation." And don't point out that you are not the President. People hear these words spoken across the country by people like you and by various media. And they are heard, EVERY DAY, by millions of people--many of those people who have not heard Trump's speeches or read about them, but who daily hear about what a Nazi, traitor, White Nationalist, racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist, hater, inspirer of killers, Trump is. Should you and Pete F and the media and the millions like you, be restricted from saying the things you say because, for certain, they are heard by a whole lot of people some of whom are crazies?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What if the Dayton Shooter turned out to be a Socialist, and a Bernie and Warren Fan? Would Trump's "invasion" or "infestation" words be responsible? Would any Trump words be responsible? Would Trump, in any way, be responsible? Would Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren be responsible?

I think the subject of this thread was about someone listening to some words, not about guns.

Who's responsible, what words are responsible for all the violence that occurs daily in this country? Trump?

The words spoken by you and PeteF over and over on this political forum are far more incendiary than words like "invasion" or "infestation." And don't point out that you are not the President. People hear these words spoken across the country by people like you and by various media. And they are heard, EVERY DAY, by millions of people--many of those people who have not heard Trump's speeches or read about them, but who daily hear about what a Nazi, traitor, White Nationalist, racist, homophobe, misogynist, xenophobe, Fascist, hater, inspirer of killers, Trump is. Should you and Pete F and the media and the millions like you, be restricted from saying the things you say because, for certain, they are heard by a whole lot of people some of whom are crazies?

Calling BS, I never talk politics outside of this forum, so no my words aren’t being heard by more than a small handful. BUT millions heard Trumps words and they do matter and while he finally came out (wonder what pressure was brought to bear to make that happen, family or party), they were a bit late IMHO. You defend the clown at every turn no surprise, no less than Jim on the market and economy (long term vision be damned), or Dangles best president ever.

God forbid I tried to change the discussion from partisan BS into something constructive, but where might that go. Do we want to talk about gun legislation or why or how someone with a screw loose can buy an assault weapon and put a 100 round magazine on it. Can you imagine the death toll had officers not been right there?

If nothing changes it will only increase, but if the NRA and lobbying keeps buying our policies we are doomed to repeat these over and over.
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