22 dead kids

[CANAL RAT]

i cant think of a more important time for Law abiding citizens to arm themselves. I think every person with out a violent criminal record should carry a concealed handgun. the thugs will calm down real quick when they know if they try to mug granny they might get a cap in there ass.

[likwid]

You can't even speculate whether someone would have shot in this situation if they were armed.

Nobody has any clue what anyone would do, training or no training without having been put in that situation themselves.

Paper does not shoot back.

There is ZERO factual evidence that shows that any amount of shooting time, cqb training or anything else like that would allow a completely caught by surprise KID to draw and fire. Never mind not accidentally shooting another innocent...

Would someone armed have helped this situation?
Nobody will know.
Period.

Circular logic with circular reasoning leads to the same argument over and over.

[Raven]

everything in life goes full circle

[Raven]

i have a feeling this event is going to have
allot of lawsuits against the school because
nothing was done when the warning signs
were made known to school officials..

[fishpoopoo]

Originally Posted by likwid

You can't even speculate whether someone would have shot in this situation if they were armed.

Nobody has any clue what anyone would do, training or no training without having been put in that situation themselves.

Paper does not shoot back.

There is ZERO factual evidence that shows that any amount of shooting time, cqb training or anything else like that would allow a completely caught by surprise KID to draw and fire. Never mind not accidentally shooting another innocent...

Would someone armed have helped this situation?
Nobody will know.
Period.

Circular logic with circular reasoning leads to the same argument over and over.

Well, I don't necessarily disagree with you Likwid.

But, I would prefer the probability (however small) of a lawfully armed citizen taking out a shooter [and possibly wounding me or another innocent] over the near certainty of being killed by a shooter if I am unarmed. You have to give people more credit than you are.

BTW, thirty of the thirty-two fatalities died before the cops arrived on scene.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

You have to give people more credit than you are.

In a fight or flee situation most people will flee.
Not odds you want to bet on.

And honestly, I'm waiting for the "well the military trains people to deal with the stress". I'm sure anyone wanting a concealed permit wants to go through the programming say a Force Recon Marine goes through huh?

[Gunpowder]

i agree with slip. if people were of age and had a concealed weapon, alot of killing perhaps could have been prevented. guns dont kill people, people kill people. just because he had a gun doesnt mean that guns should now be banned. i think the opposite is true: allow for concealed gun carry on campuses for those that have a permit. it could save a lot of innocent lives as well as time for police to get there.

[fishpoopoo]

a side note for those who have resident and non-resident Class A and Class B LTC in Mass:

College campuses have been and are off-limits to handguns.

Unless you have permission from school officials to carry, possess, store, or transport.

Yeah right. Try getting permission for THAT at BU.

Have faith, though. BU Police, Newton Police, and Boston Police and the Staties will all show up half an hour later to move your lifeless body to the medical examiner of your fellow taxpayer's choice.

[fishpoopoo]

[MakoMike]

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that if that courageous professor that blocked the door had a gun the whole incident would have ended right there?

[TheSpecialist]

MM I was thinking the same thing...

[fishpoopoo]

okay, there's one FBI source saying that the shooter was NOT on anti-depressants.

[The Iceman 6]

Yahoo headlines are stating the the shooter had a history or mental problems and was a loner. Anybody surprised by these facts? See any of the kid's writing?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Did you see the reporters interviewing the widow of one of the professors.......outside right after his Funeral, Give the woman a break, she just lost her husband.

I think more people need to go to the "Sean Penn" School of Interviewing Ethics.......and pop these a$$wipes upside the head.

[fishpoopoo]

Backto RKBA for a second. There were 75 student firearms in lockup at Virginia Tech Police! God, if just a FEW of them were in the hands of students, what-if?!!!!

Dateline: April 19th, 2007 Washington Township NJ
Contact: Robert Kreisler, President
www.njcsd.org


On behalf of the New Jersey Coalition for Self Defense, and all Americans, we grieve for the souls and families of the victims at Virginia Tech.

Many believe that now is not the time to discuss the failings of "gun control". We disagree. Now is the perfect time, when the fatal failure of the system is staring us in the face.

Americans are increasingly becoming conditioned to believe that our safety is someone else's responsibility. Call 911, find a dark closet to hide in, cover your head and pray that the first person opening the door and finding you there isn't the criminal.

On any given day, there are approximately 75 firearms in the campus lockup checked in by lawful owners, as mandated by Virginia Tech policy. One year ago, a bill was presented in the Virginia legislature to compel the university to allow those licensed owners to carry their sidearms with them to deal with just such a crime. Even one of those guns carried by a student or faculty would have ended this, or at least significantly minimized the carnage.

Those legislators who defeated this bill must be held to account today. They are the ones who insist that police are our protection. We challenge them to explain to the public where the police were this week, and how this result is better than allowing legally licensed gun owners whose firearms were in lockup to be ready to thwart evil.

This is just one more example of what we call the "Sarah Brady Success Story." Anti-gun elements in our nation have been pursuing their failed philosophy for over 40 years. Handgun Control Incorporated refuses to admit that despite four decades – two generations – of failed policy, that gun control is having the exact opposite effect they hope. Yet they will waste no time in the months to come insisting that we need yet more of the same failed policy.

We didn't learn our lesson at Columbine or Lancaster. Japan didn't learn its lesson at Osaka. Russia didn't learn it at Beslan. Germany didn’t learn it at Erfurt. Australia didn’t learn it at Port Arthur. Xerox didn't learn it at Meridien. The list goes on and on. With one exception. Israel learned the lesson firsthand when the PLO targeted primary schools. Their civilians – parents and teachers alike – patrolled the hallways with their sidearms on a voluntary basis, and the attacks stopped.

Americans have been systematically deceived by a slanted press and political movement on a mission. There is an inverse relationship between gun control and its intended result. If one is in an automobile skidding out of control, you turn away from the skid, not into it, to regain control. Likewise, we must, as a nation, turn away from gun control.

Firearms legislation needs to be normalized. Average citizens need to be ready to work in tandem with law enforcement to confront evil and stop it immediately. We need to understand that firearms will never disappear. They are not new technology. Mankind will never lose the recipe for gunpowder, and humans have been sending a projectile through a tube for over 500 years.

Gun control is job security for criminals and a death sentence for Americans.

[mosholu]

TDF that just par for the course these days. If she slugged a guy she'd be sued and he would probably file charges. There were three things about this coverage that have set me off (thanks for asking). The first is the rush to judgement on the first day where within hours of the event, prior to any statement by officials, the media are trying to assign blame etc.; the second was the constant identification of the shooter as Asian or Korean. Somewhat correct you could argue. But if it was me and I came over to the US at age 8 would they be saying an Irishman every 5 seconds. The guy lived here for 15 years. To me it is almost like they are pushing the foreign angle to push people's buttons even more. Lastly as we discussed above the release of the videos and pictures. I see mostly Fox and CNN so maybe the coverage was more balanced on the majors but somehow looking at what NBC has done I doubt it.

[fishpoopoo]

mosholu they were pushing the foreign angle to put a spotlight on federal gun laws.

non-u.s. citizens can possess firearms under certain circumstances. we have these excpetions because it wouldn't be possible for olympic shooting and similar events to be held here, etc.

the law is complicated, but it reads ... if you are a lawful resident alien with a clean background, you have the same gun rights as a law-abiding citizen.

note that a lawful resident is not the same as a person coming in with a student visa.

anyways, i'm sure there will be calls for closing this "loophole."

[Raven]

haven't watched any of it...

Just movies ...

CNN via PC was more than enough

no slugging... no throwing ice from a drink... but
i betcha she could have whip creamed him....tho
that and his camera lens...

there should be patriotic whip cream in tri-color
(red,white,and blue tipped cans ) that would
be perfect for the job....

[fishpoopoo]

funny that the MSM isn't reporting how disgusted folks are with the news outlets for putting that crap on the air.

all my co-workers want to throw a brick at the tv or computer screen. hard for them to agree on any one thing at any given time but they are unanimous on this one.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

non-u.s. citizens can possess firearms under certain circumstances. we have these excpetions because it wouldn't be possible for olympic shooting and similar events to be held here, etc.

He wasn't a foreigner though....

Xenophobia go!

[fishpoopoo]

not sure i understand your point, likwid.

the shooter wasn't a u.s. citizen but at the same time we haven't really seen any palpable backlash against foreigners or foreign looking folks.

correct me if i'm wrong ?

[Saltheart]

If he had driven a truck into a crowd of people , would we want to take away peoples driving licenses? If it was a chevy truck would we ban chevys? If he had made a bomb like the oklahoma one would we ban the sale of fertilizer?

The guy killed the people , not the gun.

The video is a weird think. there was a time when that would have been kept under wraps so as not to encourage others to do the same. I can just see about a half dozen incidents over the next two years of other nuts encouraged by and mimicing this guys video and actions so that they can be famous for a while too.

[Joe]

I would have used some sick time after I heard about the first shooting, and if a plane flies into the building next to the one I'm in - I'm going home, regardless of who says it safe to stay...

[Swimmer]

You can bet your ass NBC made a copy of everything before they called the F.B.I. It might be evidence but it NBC's property until the F.B.I. seizes it.

To me a statement that ranks in the category of a manifesto has to be coherrent and well-written. Fom what I have heard its just the insane immature rantings of a very sick kid.

At least he saved everyone a trial.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

You can bet your ass NBC made a copy of everything before they called the F.B.I.

The President of NBC stated they did when it was released to the FBI.

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

NBC got the tape in the mail and handed it right over to the FBI. Then the FBI gives it right back to them.....shouldn't the FBI have kept the tape and told NBC to pound sand....just a thought

[mosholu]

Now I am angry at the FBI as well. It still does not get NBC off the hook.

[UserRemoved1]

With a backlash developing against the media, Fox News said it would stop running the pictures, and other networks said they would severely limit their use.

"It has value as breaking news," said ABC News spokesman Jeffrey Schneider, "but then becomes practically pornographic as it is just repeated ad nauseam."

[Raven]

i sent them all negative feedback....
as i'm sure many others did....

enough was enough of the cho boy

[fishpoopoo]

likwid, imus and psycho cho make sense from a biz perspective.

1) imus = advertisers threaten to leave. defensible biz practice to toss him.

2) psycho cho = good for short-term ratings = advertisers happy. i think.