Any luck?

[Gunpowder]

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

Big difference between being mugged and a simple "Any Luck Greeting"...

And to think after that you and rockhound became the closest of fishing partners. One of life little quirks I guess.

agreed

Originally Posted by fishbones

In your case, you had every right to have the rock to yourself. If it was a huge rock where he could fish a decent distance away, you shouldn't have a problem. But it sounds like he was on top of you. And, you were there first.

I'd be willing to bet that since he knew right where to go, he probably thought that it was you on "his rock", though. He probably walked away thinking to himself "I can't believe that jerkwad rockblocked me".

and agreed again.

i woulda drowned that guy

---> p.s. love the "rockblocked" quote

[OLD GOAT]

Sounds like its that time of the month. Poor dear

[piemma]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I remember that story well, same year the DEM guy did the same thing
It wasn't me If I had been there I would have been on the rock 20yds to the right of Paul...

Eben did that to Paul once though...

Bryan, you are right!!! He did! I forgot about that.

[The Iceman 6]

By the way, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance

[ivanputski]

"WHATS UP" doesnt mean someone wants to know what's directly above your head in the sky where you are standing, just like "any luck" doesnt mean "tell me what youve caught, when, using what, and casting it where..." you follow?

[flyvice11787]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

"WHATS UP" doesnt mean someone wants to know what's directly above your head in the sky where you are standing, just like "any luck" doesnt mean "tell me what youve caught, when, using what, and casting it where..." you follow?

I know he didn't ask all that. But did you see my thought on this?

Originally Posted by flyvice11787

While "Any luck?" is a common greeting, in my opinion, it is also a way for someone to glean info from you.

In my opinion, he wanted confirmation of whether there are fish there. As I already explained, there is either yes, no, or no reply. If he wants to know if fish are around, he can either go to a report site, subscribe to a magazine with reports, or be there when the fish are. For the same reason I don't go and report where and what I am catching, I'm not inclined to tell someone I don't know that fish are present at a spot I'm fishing. He'll have to find out from someone else or be present when the fish are .

Originally Posted by piemma

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

While my spot isn't quite this small, 4 guys would be a crowd. And being I didn't confirm the fish were there, no one else but a friend I clued in has been there the last 3 mornings .

[Saltheart]

Wow , all this over "Any Luck"?

You can answere or ignore. Maybe he repeated it thinking you didn't hear him. You can answere or ignore a second time.

You acn also respond with a no even if you are having some luck. In fact I can remember when I fished the beaches more during the fall when people could drive the beach , we would actually hide the fish so that we could use the standard answere to that standard question. "Any Luck"?. then a really discouraged sounding "nope", Lying well is a big part of fishing. Pretty much if I don't know someone who asks , the answere is a friendly ...Nope.

Seems like the only thing done wrong here was to get angry about it. Oh well , we all have our moments. Hope it didn't spoil your trip.

[flyvice11787]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

Wow , all this over "Any Luck"?

You can answere or ignore. Maybe he repeated it thinking you didn't hear him. You can answere or ignore a second time.

You acn also respond with a no even if you are having some luck. In fact I can remember when I fished the beaches more during the fall when people could drive the beach , we would actually hide the fish so that we could use the standard answere to that standard question. "Any Luck"?. then a really discouraged sounding "nope", Lying well is a big part of fishing. Pretty much if I don't know someone who asks , the answere is a friendly ...Nope.

Seems like the only thing done wrong here was to get angry about it. Oh well , we all have our moments. Hope it didn't spoil your trip.

Like I said, I just don't want to come off as a liar, as there was a third person there who saw me catching . Gotta save the lies for when I'm really backed into a corner .

[stiff tip]

all of you TAKE A PILL AND RELAX... I ONE MORE WEEK THE FISH WILL B HERE......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by piemma

So let me inflame the conversation.


I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

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Piemma, first let me say as a newbie to this site, I have learned a lot from your posts. Fatherhood forced me to recently switch from the boat to the surf, so I have a lot to learn.

You asked for comments on your story. Different people have different levels of tolerance, and situations are different. When I first started in the surf, I hit the Quonnie breechway on a Wednesday night at 1 AM. I was the only one there. All of a sudden a few more guys show up. Why can't I tell THEM to get off my rock?

I guess you could have used it as a learning situation for that guy, and politely explained to him the courtesy surfcasters are expected to show on eanother. I'm new at this, and I fish alone most of the time, so I can certainly see the possibility where I'm doing something that an experienced surfcaster might not like. If that's the case, I welcome any insights and tips on how to improve. Constructive criticism is fine.

With all due respect, if your first reaction was to tell me to get the ^*%$@# of "your rock", I would politely reply, "or what"? You're seriously going to take a swing at me over a public fishing spot? You're seriously willing to hurt me, get hurt yourself, get arrested, get sued, over a fishing spot?

Lots of internet chest-thumping on this topic. I can't believe so many of you are that confrontational. Not typical of my experience, where boaters and fisherman have shown to be friendly, helpful, and laid-back. I'll chalk it up to being internet tough guys, I hope that's what it is...or I sure don't belong here.

[piemma]

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

You have to understand where I was and the time in the morning and the fact that there are 30 other spots to fish within 100 yards of where I was standing. You also need to understand that this guy waded through water, for a considerable distance, to get to me. He could see that it's one rock about 6 feet across and there is only room for one guy.

If he was wise he would have gone right by me as surfcasters are a solitary lot. If I wanted a fishing partner RI Rockhound or Nebe or JoeP would have been with me.

No, I wouldn't have gotten violent. If he didn't leave I would have calmly reliquished my spot to him, waded back to land and then shined my light on him for the next hour.

If you think that surf casting is a team sport you probably shouldn't be here. 30 years ago when we were market hunters and sold fish for serious money it would have been a different story. Ask some of the old guys about the days on The Back. The sharpies "carried" and it was war if there was encroachment.

Sorry you didn't like my reaction. I would be interested to see yours, in the same situation.

Suppose you were in your boat and a clown pulled up withing 10 feet of you. Would you offer him coffee and pleasantries or would you tell him to *&&%#$ off?

[Crafty Angler]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Lots of internet chest-thumping on this topic. I can't believe so many of you are that confrontational. Not typical of my experience, where boaters and fisherman have shown to be friendly, helpful, and laid-back. I'll chalk it up to being internet tough guys, I hope that's what it is...or I sure don't belong here.

Nahh, Jim it's okay - ya don't have to go anywhere, surfcasters are just a different breed as opposed to their boating brethren that you're more used to -

For the most part, it's posturing, not unlike Gorillas in the Mist...

Of course, the threatening old silverback could be piemma...



This is from The Hibernian Center of Comparative Zoology:

"Surfcasters - like the rest of the simian world - can be fiercely territorial when provoked.

While the younger male surfcasters are gregarious and known to travel over a broad range in larger groups, the older male specimens often become solitary in their search for prey and tend to frequent a much smaller area

Ordinarily quiet and focused in their nocturnal search, they can become quite agitated if surprised or provoked and should be approached with caution in the wild.

Little else is known about the species given the difficulty of studying them without alerting them to the presence of the observer."




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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by piemma

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.


Sorry you didn't like my reaction. I would be interested to see yours, in the same situation.

Suppose you were in your boat and a clown pulled up withing 10 feet of you. Would you offer him coffee and pleasantries or would you tell him to *&&%#$ off?

First, as I explained, I was in that exact situation at Quonnie. I'm by myself, and all of a sudden these guys are right on top of me. I'm a very laid-back, non-confrontational guy, so I politely asked why they were gathering around me (as I said, it was my first time there). They explained the rotation, and I was fine with it, as I have never felt comfortable calling "firsties". If I'm in a spot, and someone else who can only fish once a week, drives for 3 hours to get to that spot, I'll accommodate him if I can.

In the boat, it has hapened many many times. The fish erupt right where I happen to be, and everyone comes zooming over. When it stops being fun, I move to somewhere where I can enjoy myself.

I'm out there to relax, recharge the batteries, and have fun, not to get in a fight. I did 2 tours in Iraq, I know what's worth fighting over, and what's absolutely not worth getting upset about.

Sorry if I assumed you were leaning toward violense. Get the $%@$ off my rock sounds like a threat to me.

I gather you bought a boat recently. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I felt like someone cut a piece of my heart out the day I sold it, and I look forward to guying another once the time is right.

Fair winds and calm seas, and thanks for all the advice you give,

Jim

[Pete F.]

I think that comparing the ends of the RI breachways to a rock in the surf is a little like apples and oranges. Do people think that if they get to the end of the breachway first they own it? I don't know the right answer or if there is one. There are lots of rocks in the surf, some are better than others, pick another one if someone is on that one. If I think it's worthwhile to be in a rotation I'll go to a breachway and almost always have fun. You usually get what you give on the end of a breachway.

[snake slinger]

nobody expects to be alone on a breachway but if someone tried to get on a rock i waded out to would get the same response from me that paul gave them

[Dad 818]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Hit some sweet water this am and a guy shows up and what do you think the first 2 words out of his mouth were??? Any guesses??? Hmmmmmm??? If you guessed "Any Luck?" you would be right......I simply responded "Nope...not yet".

That no good sonofab!tch

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think that comparing the ends of the RI breachways to a rock in the surf is a little like apples and oranges. Do people think that if they get to the end of the breachway first they own it? I don't know the right answer or if there is one. There are lots of rocks in the surf, some are better than others, pick another one if someone is on that one. If I think it's worthwhile to be in a rotation I'll go to a breachway and almost always have fun. You usually get what you give on the end of a breachway.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse...

But you get the difference between the end of a breechway, and say the end of the East Wall, because someone explained it to you. It's not something that's obvious to a newbie like me.

So if I'm at the end of ONE jetty (say the Quonnie Breechway) and I'm by myself, I have to accomodate others who show up later.

But if I want to fish the end of the East Wall, and someone is already there, he can tell me to "get the %$@# off my rock".

Again, there was some internet tough guy language on this thread. The point is, I'm a pretty reasonable guy, and a pretty smart guy. There is no way I would ever distinguish between the right to call "firsties" at the end of the East Wall but not at Quonnie.

Now that I have been there and asked the question, I get it, and I have no problem abiding by it.

But I'll ask all the experts to understand that at some point in time, they were novices too. If someone is violating some rule of etiquette, it doesn't mean they deserve a beating, it could be innocent ignorance (which it woul dbe in my case). Instead of using the juvenile 'roid-rage approach which many of you seem to fancy, you might want to give me the same lesson that someone once gave you.

No one was born knowing, among other things, why there is a rotation at Quoiine and not everywhere else. Get over yourselves...

[fishbones]

Jim in CT, you're pretty quick to judge others here based on not knowing the situation. Telling people you don't know to "get over themselves" is pretty short-sighted. I don't know the spot Piemma is referring to, but I'd be willing to bet my life that it's not a spot a "newbie" would be fishing at 2 in the morning. The jetties and breachways attract a lot of newbies and inexperienced people because of the easy access and the fact that they are well known spots.

Question for you. Would you be wading out to a small rock in an unfamiliar and potentially dangerous area in the middle of the night by yourself?

[Dad 818]

The question "Any Luck" has been removed from my vocabulary. It has been replaced by "Catch Anything %$%$%$%$ers?"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Jim in CT, you're pretty quick to judge others here based on not knowing the situation. Telling people you don't know to "get over themselves" is pretty short-sighted. I don't know the spot Piemma is referring to, but I'd be willing to bet my life that it's not a spot a "newbie" would be fishing at 2 in the morning. The jetties and breachways attract a lot of newbies and inexperienced people because of the easy access and the fact that they are well known spots.

Question for you. Would you be wading out to a small rock in an unfamiliar and potentially dangerous area in the middle of the night by yourself?

I don't like this thread, and I have no wish to prolong it. But I'm going to address what you asked. Emails have a tendency to sound harsher than they are intended, and if that's the case, let me apologize...

"you're pretty quick to judge others here based on not knowing the situation"

This thread, and the other one about encroaching, suggested an obvious hostility and paranoia about sharing what is, I'm sorry to break it to you, a public resource. To an outsider looking in (I'm not a close part of this community here), there are TONS of examples of an "us versus them" mentality. It's glaringly obvious that many here resent having to share an admittedly limited, but nonetheless public, resource.

It is that feeling that I think some here need to "get over". If that sentiment doesn't really exist here, I apologize. But I can point to several threads just in the last few days that really suggest that mentality, which again, I don't understand.


"Would you be wading out to a small rock in an unfamiliar and potentially dangerous area in the middle of the night by yourself?"

No, I wouldn't, not one that was unfamiliar. But I do have my spots, and there have been times when guys showed up after me, and I have no problem moving over, or even giving him a cold beer if he's a friendly sort.

[Raven]

quote: Emails have a tendency to sound harsher than they are intended
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if i said it in a harsh tone quickly - as in- GET OVER IT !
that makes me quite angry to say the least

if said in a general acceptance tone as in - you'll get over it
that makes me think that someday i will

if said in the way: your gonna have to get over it... dude..
asking you to please have some patience...
that's a whole other deal...

there is no inflection of voice here ........other than smiley's

[Pete F.]

I think this is a rock as opposed to a breachway or a rock that two can share. This is a very nice rock in a very nice place. Pics by Zeno from an old thread. Don't take the internet too seriously.

[The Dad Fisherman]

How do you handle a Rotation on that Rock?

[flyvice11787]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

How do you handle a Rotation on that Rock?

You take turns swimming laps out to the rock .

[flyvice11787]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This thread, and the other one about encroaching, suggested an obvious hostility and paranoia about sharing what is, I'm sorry to break it to you, a public resource.

Jim,
This thread was not about sharing the spot. I left the guy fishing at the spot. I just did not indicate there were fish there. It was up to him to figure out that there were fish there. My gripe was the fact that someone wanted me to share information about a certain spot which I did not want to do. It became a back and forth about whether or not "Any luck?" is a greeting or a question of whether there are fish at a certain area. I believe it is the latter. As I was standing on a very specific piece of structure, I chose not to divulge any information to someone I didn't know. If the question had been asked of me in the parking lot, I may have answered that there are some fish around, without giving away the specific spot. Even though the question was generic, the spot was very specific. Got it ?

[nightfighter]

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by flyvice11787

Got it ?

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[Crafty Angler]

FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS
WILL SOMEBODY EUTHANIZE THIS #&#*#ING THREAD

[Slingah]

this thread has run it's course...if it ever had one
I'm gonna lock-er-up.....buh-bye