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02-18-2025, 12:50 PM
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Article I, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, according to Chuck Grassley and the other Republicans serving in the Congress:
"All Powers to complain but only to complain herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States."
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02-18-2025, 02:39 PM
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I see that now Bannon is a RINO or would he be a MAGAINO?
Bronx bodegas are selling "loosie" eggs because of soaring MAGA prices
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02-18-2025, 03:52 PM
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The Progressive movement was in response to the rise of corporations.
It was a response to way more than that. The early Progressive theorists viewed the world of their time as too different in its nature to be suitable for "The People" to fully realize their potential as individuals or as groups or as a society under the political strictures imposed on government by the Founders Constitution of a different era.
And they did believe that government was the sole means for that People to be given some sort of functional freedom as opposed to the strictly legal freedom from government tyranny as outlined in our Constitution.
And so, government had to be freed from the old Constitutional constraints of separation of powers and restrictive enumerations of power. The Constitution, if not actually discarded, had to become a "living breathing" thing that evolved with every new generation of people with their particular niche in history, and so with new iterations of public policy. And Policy was the key. And government could not be hampered in its ability to create whatever new policies its experts deemed to be good and necessary.
It isn't necessarily that they had bad ideas that is the dispute. Rather it is the method they propose, and essentially have, of getting there.
And the key to that way is to rule not by "democracy," but by expert administration. So more and more regulatory agencies, now in the hundreds, had to be created to draft various regulations at will, not by public vote--and have the legal power proforma to do so, to execute with enforcement powers, and to have the internal power to adjudicate public challenges. That is, they have the tyrannical ability to legislate, execute, and adjudicate, all in one agency--the definition of tyranny.
John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Company came to control 90-95% of oil refineries in the U.S.
Journalists, such as Ida Tarbell, exposed the nefarious methods used by John D. Rockefeller to push out honest competitors.
The government responded to harmful corporate behavior through the passage of the Sherman Antitrust Act, which sought to limit large corporations’ ability to fix prices and exclude competition. Under the administration of Theodore Roosevelt, the Sherman Act was vigorously enforced through over 40 antitrust suits.
Rockefeller made oil and its uses far cheaper for the public than if he had not existed. He was much more a good guy than a baddy. This is an interesting read: https://fee.org/articles/john-d-rock...-oil-industry/
Never mind that since the 1970s almost all of our small businesses have been decimated by corporate agglomeration to the detriment of our middle class, today we have Amazon, Tesla, Microsoft, Google….
And Musk has effective control of our government while FFOTUS with his obedient MAGA followers in Congress think they can control him.
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And this all under the regime of the Progressive trend in our political system. How can this be? Are Progressives actually human? And capable of being paid off? Are they hypocrites, power mongers, Pretenders who grow rich at the trough of political power? Some of the Progressive grunts that took to the streets and protested early on may have been poor, but I don't know of any Prominent Progressive ideologue, early or current, or Progressive politician who is poor or "middle class. They seem to do quite well, much better than most, in their quest for some unattainable human equity.
Beyond filling their pockets and accruing power, I don't know what these grand Progressives do for the "middle class", or even the poor other than barely functional gifts.
On the other hand, the Rockefeller and Amazon and Tesla types create actual affordable products and jobs and wealth which can all be taxed to enrich the Progressive types.
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02-18-2025, 06:47 PM
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And this all under the regime of the Progressive trend in our political system. How can this be? Are Progressives actually human? And capable of being paid off? Are they hypocrites, power mongers, Pretenders who grow rich at the trough of political power? Some of the Progressive grunts that took to the streets and protested early on may have been poor, but I don't know of any Prominent Progressive ideologue, early or current, or Progressive politician who is poor or "middle class. They seem to do quite well, much better than most, in their quest for some unattainable human equity.
Beyond filling their pockets and accruing power, I don't know what these grand Progressives do for the "middle class", or even the poor other than barely functional gifts.
On the other hand, the Rockefeller and Amazon and Tesla types create actual affordable products and jobs and wealth which can all be taxed to enrich the Progressive types.
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After FDR and until Reagan the USA economy and the middle class grew at the fastest rate in the world, since Reagan productivity and profits have remained high but amazingly enough less and less has trickled down.
Meanwhile Republicans cut corporate tax rates, add to the deficit and reduce workers rights.
The current administration eliminated CFPB which directly returned Billions to taxpayers and more indirectly, cut NIH grants which act as multipliers to research etc.
The reasoning behind it has yet to be proven.
DOGE is proving to be as incompetent as everyone thought. An $8 million "saving" has been listed as an $8 BILLION saving.
That is 14.5% of their total claimed $55 billion in "savings" having been completely made up.
Meanwhile the FFOTUS has a presser and knows nothing
SWAN: DOGE and SpaceX employees are now working directly at the FAA and DoD, agencies that have billions of dollars of contracts with Musk's companies or regulate them. How is that not a conflict of interest?
TRUMP: Well I mean, I'm just hearing about it
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02-18-2025, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
After FDR and until Reagan the USA economy and the middle class grew at the fastest rate in the world, since Reagan productivity and profits have remained high but amazingly enough less and less has trickled down.
Meanwhile Republicans cut corporate tax rates, add to the deficit and reduce workers rights.
The current administration eliminated CFPB which directly returned Billions to taxpayers and more indirectly, cut NIH grants which act as multipliers to research etc.
The reasoning behind it has yet to be proven.
DOGE is proving to be as incompetent as everyone thought. An $8 million "saving" has been listed as an $8 BILLION saving.
That is 14.5% of their total claimed $55 billion in "savings" having been completely made up.
Meanwhile the FFOTUS has a presser and knows nothing
SWAN: DOGE and SpaceX employees are now working directly at the FAA and DoD, agencies that have billions of dollars of contracts with Musk's companies or regulate them. How is that not a conflict of interest?
TRUMP: Well I mean, I'm just hearing about it
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detbuch Is from that part of America where everything is a conspiracy.. and Republicans have never controlled the levers of power in the Government.. and every problem is caused by progressives..
Its the laziest argument they have been making for over 70 years
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02-18-2025, 08:20 PM
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detbuch Is from that part of America where everything is a conspiracy..
I am not familiar with this part of America. I do know that leftists like to refer to opposing ideas as conspiracies. I suppose that righties also do. I don't know the part of America where everything is a conspracy.
and Republicans have never controlled the levers of power in the Government..
I disagree with you there, Republicans have at various times controlled those levers.
and every problem is caused by progressives..
I also disagree with you there also. Progressives cause more than their fair share of problems, but certainly not EVERY problem.
Its the laziest argument they have been making for over 70 years
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Well it's about time for you to stop making those lazy arguments.
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02-18-2025, 04:04 PM
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Russia makes Demands and the US delegation they got slapped around by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov..
and the US just bent over with no conditions of their own.
Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky looked visibly t upset when he gave his reaction to the meeting during a news conference in Turkey.
"We want everything to be fair and so that nobody decides anything behind our back," he said.
Sorry Z Trumps going to screw the people of Ukraine.. Republicans now love communists ... because they are defending western Values ... hint hint wink wink .. ask JD
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02-18-2025, 05:30 PM
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Russia makes Demands and the US delegation they got slapped around by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov..
and the US just bent over with no conditions of their own.
Well, like you know, as you said, they are cowards. Or Nazis
Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky looked visibly t upset when he gave his reaction to the meeting during a news conference in Turkey.
Oh my! Zelensky got upset that Russia wasn't going to allow Ukraine to join NATO. Like, you think maybe he just didn't know that Putin might object?
"We want everything to be fair and so that nobody decides anything behind our back," he said.
Oh, that's right. Zelensky wants everything to be fair. Maybe he's not aware of that love and war fairness thing.
Sorry Z Trumps going to screw the people of Ukraine.. Republicans now love communists ... because they are defending western Values ... hint hint wink wink .. ask JD
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Let's see . . . Russia didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was President the first time . . . (maybe because Trump was somehow screwing the people of Ukraine then) . . . During Biden, Russia destroyed Ukraine, took more land, killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, sent millions into exile . . . This time around Trump is bringing an end to destruction and massacre . . . in order to screw the Ukrainian people of course.
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02-18-2025, 05:42 PM
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Let's see . . . Russia didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was President the first time . . . (maybe because Trump was somehow screwing the people of Ukraine then) . . . During Biden, Russia destroyed Ukraine, took more land, killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, sent millions into exile . . . This time around Trump is bringing an end to destruction and massacre . . . in order to screw the Ukrainian people of course.
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Putin invaded Ukraine because his puppet lost the election. And lost his back door deal with Trump. To keep Ukraine out of nato.. I bet you think he feared Trump.
Putin knew Biden was for Ukraine joining NATO or the EU.. so he invaded. Trump admit as much. And now he’s blaming Ukraine
I’m not surprised you can’t see the things that are happening right in front of you happening in real time.  That seems to be infectious to all conservatives who conveniently 
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02-18-2025, 07:03 PM
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Putin invaded Ukraine because his puppet lost the election. And lost his back door deal with Trump. To keep Ukraine out of nato.. I bet you think he feared Trump.
Putin knew Biden was for Ukraine joining NATO or the EU.. so he invaded. Trump admit as much. And now he’s blaming Ukraine
I’m not surprised you can’t see the things that are happening right in front of you happening in real time.  That seems to be infectious to all conservatives who conveniently 
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Pretty good summary. I’d note while Trump presided over his first term Russia was occupying Crimea and fighting in eastern Ukraine, not on the sideline fearful of a vengeful Trump.
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02-18-2025, 08:35 PM
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Pretty good summary. I’d note while Trump presided over his first term Russia was occupying Crimea and fighting in eastern Ukraine, not on the sideline fearful of a vengeful Trump.
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Ugh those things started and were a fait au complete before Trump. And there didn't seem to be a threat of expanding beyond that into the total destruction of Ukraine and the ensuing millions of death mass exit of the population.
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02-18-2025, 04:09 PM
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the Justice Department cutting breaks to people who seem loyal to Trump?
In recent weeks, the department dropped a case against former Nebraska Republican Congressman Jeff Fortenberry. Prosecutors in Nashville withdrew from an investigation against Republican Congressman Andy Ogles, who introduced a bill that would clear the way for Trump to serve a third term in office. And last Friday, the Justice Department moved to dismiss the case against New York Mayor Eric Adams. Adams is a Democrat but has said he's open to cooperating with Trump's immigration policies, including on deportations.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/18/nx-s1...s-allies-cases
detbuch I guess these things are just random occurrence......
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02-18-2025, 05:03 PM
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the Justice Department cutting breaks to people who seem loyal to Trump?
In recent weeks, the department dropped a case against former Nebraska Republican Congressman Jeff Fortenberry. Prosecutors in Nashville withdrew from an investigation against Republican Congressman Andy Ogles, who introduced a bill that would clear the way for Trump to serve a third term in office. And last Friday, the Justice Department moved to dismiss the case against New York Mayor Eric Adams. Adams is a Democrat but has said he's open to cooperating with Trump's immigration policies, including on deportations.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/18/nx-s1...s-allies-cases
detbuch I guess these things are just random occurrence......
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Yeah . . . I guess . . . I think some folks refer to it as politics. I heard that some folks think politics is dirty. Oh well . . . Nazi
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02-18-2025, 04:20 PM
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GSA engineering lead resigns over DOGE ally’s request for access
The lead engineer for a government text-messaging service resigned Tuesday over a U.S. DOGE Service ally’s request for access to sensitive data, including personal identifying information,
so let review. they want bank records , medical records. , student records. and now government text messages
yep nothing to see
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02-18-2025, 05:07 PM
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GSA engineering lead resigns over DOGE ally’s request for access
The lead engineer for a government text-messaging service resigned Tuesday over a U.S. DOGE Service ally’s request for access to sensitive data, including personal identifying information,
so let review. they want bank records , medical records. , student records. and now government text messages
yep nothing to see
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Wow . . . DOGE is truying to act like the CIA, or FBI, or DOJ, or something . . . Nazis
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02-18-2025, 04:30 PM
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Youngkin promises help for federal workers but defends Trump job cuts
This is why Republicans are cowards
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02-18-2025, 05:08 PM
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Youngkin promises help for federal workers but defends Trump job cuts
This is why Republicans are cowards
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Yup, their fascists.
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02-18-2025, 05:23 PM
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Yup, their fascists.
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Wow you’re running out of content. Lol. Why are you afraid of the courts and the constitution?
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02-18-2025, 05:33 PM
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Wow you’re running out of content. Lol. Why are you afraid of the courts and the constitution?
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You didn't like my content? How about Nazi?
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02-18-2025, 05:48 PM
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You didn't like my content? How about Nazi?
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Are you calling yourself a nazi now? Are you suggesting you don’t support Trumps …. Actions.
How about letting us all know how Trumps actions are constitutional
Or is it only legal in your copy ?
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02-18-2025, 07:04 PM
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FFOTUS really ought to see the corruption occurring on his watch.
FElon and his Nerd Reich youngsters are systematically targeting agencies. Each agency under assault by Elon Musk and the DOGE has a direct relationship to investigations of Musk‘s companies. At least 32 investigations at 11 agencies may now be shut down.
The richest man in the world, who controls more government contracts than anyone would never have a conflict of interest.
Remember it all trickles down and it’s golden too.
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02-18-2025, 07:13 PM
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Remember OTD in 2022 Putin denied any invasion would happen in Ukraine.
So you can believe his promises about peace now.
But remember Putin has never not resumed action after a ceasefire.
There will be a hot war in Europe before summer.
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02-18-2025, 07:18 PM
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Putin invaded Ukraine because his puppet lost the election.
OK . . . so we are considered idiots or conspiracists and must be censored if we say without proof that the 2020 election was stolen by the Dems, but it's OK to keep saying without proof that Trump is Putin's puppet. It gets very old. Nazi, fascist, racist, xenophobe, misogynist, racist, anti-gay, porn merchant, blah blah blah--no really solid evidence of any of that gibberish. But OK to keep repeating it all. And also to saying the puppet nonsense.
And lost his back door deal with Trump. To keep Ukraine out of nato.. I bet you think he feared Trump.
Is there an actual record of this back door deal? What exactly is it?
Putin knew Biden was for Ukraine joining NATO or the EU.. so he invaded. Trump admit as much. And now he’s blaming Ukraine
Apparently, you're saying that only Trump being President was stopping him from invading Ukraine. He did invade before Trump was elected . . . and after he was unelected. So the smart thing, for Ukraine's fate, was to elect Trump. But what happens in four years, or sooner if he is successfully removed from office or assassinated? Will someone have to make another back door deal?
What if Ukraine had made, or what's left of it did make a back door deal with Russia assuring it wouldn't join NATO.
Too much iffy maybe. It was understood that Russia did not want, and thought it had an agreement, that Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO. That was not an if or maybe. And it must have been known that Russia would not allow it. And that there would be consequences, serious consequences, if it did try to join.
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Well, you certainly haven't proven any "real time things happening right in front of me that back up any of your conspiracies.
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02-18-2025, 07:26 PM
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Well, you certainly haven't proven any "real time things happening right in front of me that back up any of your conspiracies.
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President Donald Trump on Tuesday criticized the Associated Press’s continued use of “Gulf of Mexico” instead of “Gulf of America,” calling it “ridiculous” and underscoring his intent to restrict the agency’s access if it does not recognize the new designation.
So much for freedom of the press.
You can’t see when you’re not looking …. It’s an easy concept to understand.
Wow you actually brought up the stolen election. As a defense. Pathetic
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02-18-2025, 08:10 PM
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President Donald Trump on Tuesday criticized the Associated Press’s continued use of “Gulf of Mexico” instead of “Gulf of America,” calling it “ridiculous” and underscoring his intent to restrict the agency’s access if it does not recognize the new designation.
So much for freedom of the press.
The Press is still free to call it whatever it wants.
They are free to call it the Gulf of Ca-ca if they choose. But it might confuse their audience. For clarity, it should probably use the proper name.
And Press access has always had various restrictions. Access has actually expanded under Trump since it allows access to internet media now at Press conferences.
You can’t see when you’re not looking …. It’s an easy concept to understand.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Wow you actually brought up the stolen election. As a defense. Pathetic
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It wasn't a defense. It highlighted the hypocrisy of those who condemn and censor those who refer to a stolen election without proof, but freely resort to calling Nazi, fascist, racist, etc. without clear legitimate proof.
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02-18-2025, 09:10 PM
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It wasn't a defense. It highlighted the hypocrisy of those who condemn and censor those who refer to a stolen election without proof, but freely resort to calling Nazi, fascist, racist, etc. without clear legitimate proof.
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Condemn those who refer to a stolen election without proof, Like you ? So all the court case and no evidence presented.. got it .. you should be condemn prove it or Move on. ..
Again people are referred to as Nazi, fascist, racist, Because of their word actions and Deeds …. You seem to think these comparisons are made in a vacuum
Here is. one I doubt you’ll have an issue with.
H.R.1395 - To amend title 5, United States Code, to designate Trump's Birthday and Flag Day as a legal public holiday.
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02-18-2025, 09:54 PM
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Condemn those who refer to a stolen election without proof, Like you ? So all the court case and no evidence presented.. got it .. you should be condemn prove it or Move on. ..
Again people are referred to as Nazi, fascist, racist, Because of their word actions and Deeds …. You seem to think these comparisons are made in a vacuum
You're saying that Trump is acting like a Nazi?
So how, exactly does a Nazi act? I don't mean the things that Nazi's did that are similar to what most people do, but specifically what are the Trump actions those that only Nazi's did?
Here is. one I doubt you’ll have an issue with.
H.R.1395 - To amend title 5, United States Code, to designate Trump's Birthday and Flag Day as a legal public holiday.
Is this something that only Nazis did? Is this the kind of thing that existed well before the Nazis and well after? I don't see anything specifically and soley Nazi about it.
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Why would I . . . and honestly it's just too trifling for me to get my panties all in a bunch about. Is it something that's going to affect your quality of life. You gonna lose any money over it?
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02-18-2025, 08:23 PM
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Real time happening
Trump official announces that Trump has signed an executive order claiming that only the president can speak for “what the law is”
What’s next droit du seigneur, oh wait he already did that remember…If you’re rich you can….
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This administration is setting up as a perfect sitcom
Here’s the pitch:
They hire back the accidentally-fired bird flu folks *and* the accidentally-fired nuclear security guys BUT they put them in each other’s jobs — also by accident!
It’s TRADING PLACES meets FAILSAFE meets CONTAGION — and maybe also FREAKY FRIDAY!
Need a title.
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