Men by name only

[Duke41]

I find the "men" of the Middle East repugnant at best with their cowardly fighting and the use of losers blowing themselves and killing whomever is unlucky enough to be at the wrong place at the right time. I just about puked when I read this morning that when the Israeli's had a group of Palestinian gunmen holed up in a Mosque, that a call went out on the radio for woman to come an perform as human shields and the did. The Israelis opened up on them a killed a few woman sadly enough. The gunman were able to escape in the confusion. A guess what stuck me is the total disregard for life over their. Can you imagine if you traded places with the Palestinians. Okay the Israeli's got us lets call mom and sis to act as shields so we can get away. What a bunch of pussies. How can they look in the mirror. Think about it, is their no shame with these losers.

[afterhours]

i've always considered them as cowards, with their use of women and children as shields and their "war" on civilian populace. not to mention the killing and torturing of their own- 'effin cowardly barbarians at best.

[wheresmy50]

Originally Posted by afterhours

i've always considered them as cowards, with their use of women and children as shields and their "war" on civilian populace. not to mention the killing and torturing of their own- 'effin cowardly barbarians at best.

I saw an interview once with the guys involved in the "Black Hawk Down" incident. The one guy was saying that the Somali men would send women or children out into the street to get a weapon from someone who had been hit; the men would also literally use the women as shields as they shot at the Americans. The Ranger went on to say that however unfortunate, they all realized that to get out of there alive, they had to consider anyone with a gun or being used as a shield as much of a threat as the men.

I completely agree that this is dispicable.

With that said, I don't think George Patton would have had the same problems if 50 Arabs in North Africa would have run into a Mosque. I can't see him wrapped up in some ethical dilemma - the Mosque would have just disappeared. What did Von Clausewitz say about limited war?

[spence]

It's not about being a coward, it's about being effective. Their social structure enables them to behave in that manner, and as such it's simply a means to an end.

I'd think it would take some major balls (or drugs, or brainwashing) to blow yourself up.

Most importantly, how we perceive actions of radical Islamists is vastly different from how other Muslims perceive them. It's easy to write off behavior that we don't connect with as simply crazy, and in doing so we loose sight of what's really going on.

-spence

[slapshot]

What strikes me is; do any of these people have jobs? The news clips are always crowds of these morons in the middle of the day jumping up and down, burning the Americanm flag and crap. Are they on some form of public assistance? How do they feed their families? Alot of those idiots just need a good ol whupin to put them in their place.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Duke41

I find the "men" of the Middle East repugnant at best with their cowardly fighting and the use of losers blowing themselves and killing whomever is unlucky enough to be at the wrong place at the right time.

A human will find a way to fight back any way it can when faced with dire situations. How the rest of the world works sucks huh? Atleast they shoot their corrupt politicians.

[afterhours]

[QUOTE=likwid At least they shoot their corrupt politicians.[/QUOTE]

along with everybody else....

[fishpoopoo]

i don't think one can extrapolate from the actions of a relative few and say "this is what all raghead males do."

this thread is making me hungry. i'm going to have some kibbe and lamb's brain.

[slapshot]

Since we've lost sight of what is really going on, can you share it with us?

[BigBo]

How long before this thread gets locked down? Gonna be a long winter again

[afterhours]

if their social structure enables them to behave in that manner, don't whine about the consequences!

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

if their social structure enables them to behave in that manner, don't whine about the consequences!

Who's whining?

We're often talking about male dominated societies full of poverty and corruption. It is what it is.

Many people believe empowerment of the woman is a key to transforming Islam.

-spence

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by spence

Who's whining?

We're often talking about male dominated societies full of poverty and corruption. It is what it is.

Many people believe empowerment of the woman is a key to transforming Islam.

-spence

seems like all the PC people and the euro trash all whine whenever those gonadsless sob's hide behind their women and children and some are killed.....McFly........

[spence]

Originally Posted by BigBo

How long before this thread gets locked down? Gonna be a long winter again

Only if you make it so. I'm all up for some productive conversation.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by slapshot

Since we've lost sight of what is really going on, can you share it with us?

My comment wasn't directed at you specifically.

Your lives are intertwined.

-spence

[Swimmer]

Suicide, the act of, however you want to dress it up is the most selfish(72 virgins in heaven) ( a life in heaven they can never achieve on earth) act one can possibly commit. The only person who received a solution to thier problems is the murderer/suicide. It is, from my perspective, just another form of greed and lust that in the end doesn't come to fruition .

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Suicide, the act of, however you want to dress it up is the most selfish(72 virgins in heaven) ( a life in heaven they can never achieve on earth) act one can possibly commit..

You seem to be confusing suicide with suicide bombing.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Suicide, the act of, however you want to dress it up is the most selfish(72 virgins in heaven) ( a life in heaven they can never achieve on earth) act one can possibly commit.

Well, I'd say this is a good example of what I'm talking about.

You really can't apply your perspective on suicide, with that of the bomber...say a 20 year old Palestenian full of humiliation and rage.

I'm not justifying their actions obviously.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, I'd say this is a good example of what I'm talking about.

You really can't apply your perspective on suicide, with that of the bomber...say a 20 year old Palestenian full of humiliation and rage.

I'm not justifying their actions obviously.

-spence

So Spence, take every one of your comments above and apply them to Columbine. Same thing? We all respond to "humiliation and rage" in different ways. Killing others and yourself, in my opinion, is cowardly. Perhaps those who choose to be suicide bombers would get more accomplished if they organized and focused on positive solutions to their issues. Why must we "understand" them? They are the ones that want some type of change, they need to develop some way to initiate that change. Suicide attacks do nothing.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

So Spence, take every one of your comments above and apply them to Columbine. Same thing? We all respond to "humiliation and rage" in different ways. Killing others and yourself, in my opinion, is cowardly. Perhaps those who choose to be suicide bombers would get more accomplished if they organized and focused on positive solutions to their issues. Why must we "understand" them? They are the ones that want some type of change, they need to develop some way to initiate that change. Suicide attacks do nothing.

Well, all things considered...Columbine was a pretty isolated event. We're it happening on a regular basis I'd think people would start looking at the environment that's producing such killers.

You're not trying to "understand" them to be sympathetic.

-spence

[Swimmer]

I am not confusing suicide with murder. I just took a shorthand approach in adding to the post. Being filled with humiliation and rage against the oppressors whoever, and wherever that may be, and then strapping exposives to your waist or driving an exlosive laden vehicle into a crowd upon promise also of being rewarded with virgins in heaven prior to detonation certainly is tinged with greed and selfishness. If they were pure in thier intentions then the suicide murderer would not have to be plied with any other inducements, or brainwashed.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Being filled with humiliation and rage against the oppressors whoever, and wherever that may be, and then strapping exposives to your waist or driving an exlosive laden vehicle into a crowd upon promise also of being rewarded with virgins in heaven prior to detonation certainly is tinged with greed and selfishness. If they were pure in thier intentions then the suicide murderer would not have to be plied with any other inducements, or brainwashed.

I think you're taking different things and mixing them together into a generic Islamist terrorist.

The virgin story I think is true, but is overplayed like it's the motivation...when in reality it's probably just to reassure someone not all that into killing themselves. You wouldn't kill yourself for that alone, you kill because you don't think there's another option and you want to be seen as someone who's fighting back with whatever you have.

Take a look at Palestine, it's been bombed to dust for the most part and the poverty is I've read at more than 50%. Granted there is a lot of blame to go around for this (i.e. Mr. Arafat), but for thousands of kids growing up with little to nothing, and living under Isreali near aparthide conditions...I don't think it's even remotely fair to say that their guilty of being "greedy".

Remember as well, that most of the terrorisim in the world is political rather than religious in origin.

-spence