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10-22-2008, 04:35 PM
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New Hate Crimes Law?
Rant alert
Someone now wants to make it a "hate crime" to attack the homeless.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...te-cnn-partner
"Hate crimes" legislation is a good thing only because it allows republicans to return fire when democrats accuse them of passing unconstitutional legislation. There is nothing that would make the founding fathers puke faster than this garbage that literally legislates what you are allowed to think.
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10-22-2008, 04:39 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Isn't it a "hate crime" when you attack anyone????  Its done with malice??? |
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10-22-2008, 04:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigFish
Isn't it a "hate crime" when you attack anyone???? Its done with malice??? |
Im pretty sure it is if you attack a particular person....black, gay...etc. |
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10-22-2008, 04:54 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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If I attack a white guy...its not a hate crime??? I am poking fun at the entire scenario of "Hate Crime Laws"........its funny because if I do attack a white guy, and me being white, it would not be called a hate crime.......just something to do to pass the time I guess!  |
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10-22-2008, 04:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigFish
If I attack a white guy...its not a hate crime??? I am poking fun at the entire scenario of "Hate Crime Laws"........its funny because if I do attack a white guy, and me being white, it would not be called a hate crime.......just something to do to pass the time I guess! |
in your case, yes....you hate everybody..  |
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10-23-2008, 08:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigFish
If I attack a white guy...its not a hate crime??? I am poking fun at the entire scenario of "Hate Crime Laws"........its funny because if I do attack a white guy, and me being white, it would not be called a hate crime.......just something to do to pass the time I guess! |
Right, of course. If you beat someone to death with a hammer, there is probably some anger involved. Hopefully you'll go to jail for a very long time.
If you beat someone to death with a hammer, and that person is a memeber of a protected group (the point of the article is that the homeless are not yet a member of that group) and you have prejudicial thoughts which have caused you to do what you did (maybe a lawyer can straighten me out on the actual criteria) then you've committed something worse in the eyes of some law makers.
It's all BS intended to get votes from bleeding heart types. Crimes should be prosecuted based on the act and circumstances, not on what you are thinking.
Even GWB, who's supporters admit is not a good public speaker, killed Al Gore on this point in one of the debates. When Al Gore mentioned that the attackers of the black man who was drug to death behind a pickup in Texas were not prosecuted under hate crimes laws, Bush said (paraphrasing) "We executed them, what more should we have done"?. |
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10-23-2008, 08:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wheresmy50
It's all BS intended to get votes from bleeding heart types. Crimes should be prosecuted based on the act and circumstances, not on what you are thinking.
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Isn't the difference between 1st and 2nd dergree murder.....what you're thinking.
I am either planning or thinking about killing someone vs. coming home and finding the mrs. screwing around and get mad and kill them.
I'm sure there is some substantial legal language that define the 2 but I think that's the rough difference. |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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10-22-2008, 04:57 PM
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Here fishy fishy
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I hate you, I hate you, I hate you!
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10-22-2008, 04:59 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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If you were here right now Iceman I would trip you and kick you into unconciousness......not that I hate you though!  |
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10-22-2008, 05:06 PM
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pssst. if you physically attack anyone, its a crime.  |
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10-22-2008, 05:10 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Point is Eben....yeah its a crime...but does it have to be called a hate crime??? Its a crime dammit!!! Period!!  |
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10-22-2008, 05:35 PM
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i hate monkeys
i hate Chimpanzee's too
they can't be trusted and will always bail out on ya...
i want to kick their ass....
watch this video and see for yourself 
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes....shot.tues.cnn |
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10-22-2008, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BigFish
Point is Eben....yeah its a crime...but does it have to be called a hate crime??? Its a crime dammit!!! Period!! |
A hate crime is usually an unprovoked attack on someone who is viewed as inferior for what ever reason.. race, gay, small.. etc..
beating up homeless guys for no reason other than they are homeless is a hate crime in my book and should be punnished as such |
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10-22-2008, 07:13 PM
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American Heritage Dictionary defines ..
hate crime
NOUN:
A crime motivated by prejudice against a social group:
I would consider the homeless a social group...
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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10-22-2008, 07:59 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
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I can't understand why any prosecutor in his right mind charges anything as a hate crime.
A&B with a dangerous weapon is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in the state pen. All I have to prove is that a defendant struck someone with an instrument capable of causing serious injury--a kick from a shod foot is enough. I don't have to prove anything else. To prove some sort of A&B D/W as a hate crime, I also have to prove that you're part of some protected group or class, and that the defendant assaulted you because, and only because, you're a member of that group or class.
I'll take the straight A&B D/W for $1000, Alex.
Thgis California case is a real hoot. First degree murder in the Land of Fruits and Nuts is punishable by death via lethal injection. So, what does making it a crime to commit premeditated murder as a hate crime do to increase the penalty and serve to further deter people from killing other people?  |
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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10-22-2008, 08:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
the Land of Fruits and Nuts |
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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10-23-2008, 03:46 PM
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Some years ago in my college dormitory, a guy bludgeoned another guy in the shower with a baseball bat because he thought the guy he sent to the ICU was peeking at him in the stall. It may have been the case that he was, but he did not have to bat the guys head open. He would've been better off slugging the guy real good, you know, with his fist. Anyway, victim lived and old dude was convicted and sentenced to 10 years because the prosecutor charged him w/ a hate crime. Not exactly the place to be if your worried about getting touched in the showers.
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10-23-2008, 04:13 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44
Anyway, victim lived and old dude was convicted and sentenced to 10 years because the prosecutor charged him w/ a hate crime. Not exactly the place to be if your worried about getting touched in the showers.
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He could have been sentenced to 10 years for A&B with a dangerous weapon just as easily. If the prosecutor charged him with more serious crimes, like armed assault to murder and/or mayhem, they could have given him double that, at least.
But charging it as a "hate crime" gets a prosecutor more headlines, you see. |
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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