Cr-Apple

[RIJIMMY]

I hate Apple, always have.
I think they're a marketing engine that tries to sell you on whats cool. There are some cool innivations they've come up with but others have done it better. Its like a cult of crap
So I get an iPad for Christmas. Way too much $$ but the wife was excited to get it for me.
I fall in love with the Garage Band app - in order to plug in guitar, you need a$100 digital interface. Fine, go to the Apple store get the Apogee Jam. All over the package - for Ipad2.
I get it home, doenst work. go online- all kinds of noise that interface has issues with apple (even though thats what its made for). spend an hour with tech support, no luck. Then, my Ipad speakers dont work, volume thinks it has headphones plugged in. Back online - all kinds of noise with people having this issue. WTF? I call apple support. The guy tells me there must be dirt in the headphone jack. I tell him this is 3 weeks old, never left my house, and in a protective case. I have a droid phone I beat the crap out of, carry in my pocket and yet the headphones and speaker work perfectly, but an apple product is so fragile it gets "dirty" and wont work from home use? I then go off on a tangent on how I've had pcs for years, all kinds of music recording software and NEVER had a single problem. we spend another hour on the phone - log into itunes on my other computer, running around teh house - f-that. He says I can go to the apple store and I actually, I need to drive the 40mins to go there anyway to return the Apogee. I had enough and called Best Buy (where wife bought it) I tell them the quality is crap, what can I do to return it. they said I can get all $$$ back as long as I return in a week or so. So im going to apple and it no luck, Im returing this. If I buy something and it causes me more grief than good then its not worth it.

[The Dad Fisherman]

[JohnnyD]

Apple is one of the most effective marketing machines there is. Don't get me wrong, the iPod (which turned things around for Apple) was ground-breaking. But, the company has effectively convinced their fanboys that when something is with their Apple product, the user is suppose to think "hmm... I must have done something wrong."

It's an electronic device, not a Bentley.

I'll stick with my PCs where I can build one that has twice the power as a Mac for half the price. Oh and when I want to upgrade my components, I can pick and choose what I want to replace. Also, there are ways of running MacOS on a non-Apple machine so the "stability" argument doesn't hold any weight to me.

[spence]

Haters.

-spence

[PaulS]

I have an ipod touch where the battery dies in about 1 week - even when I haven't used it.

[zacs]

RIJ,
I agree with you completely. I can't stand anything apple.

[PRBuzz]

I don't know anything about Apple stuff: never owned a single anything made by Apple.

I actually dread having to go to the Apple website and download QuickTime for some web pages....

[piemma]

I work for a company that makes mobile apps for banks so we are "Apple" centric. When I joined them I had nothing Apple and never had. Now I have a Mac AirBook, an iPhone and an iPad2. I had a little bit of a learning curve but once I learned all the nuances of the platform I love it. My AirBook never fails, boots in 3 seconds, powers down in the same amount of time and I run all the regular MS stuff like Word, Excel, PP.

[Raven]

I'm still gonna buy an apple computer someday
but not an I pod
@ restaurants they'll have a similar device
(just announced)
at your table to not only order the meal
but to pay for it too
so essentially it's going to be copied

[spence]

Originally Posted by piemma

I work for a company that makes mobile apps for banks so we are "Apple" centric. When I joined them I had nothing Apple and never had. Now I have a Mac AirBook, an iPhone and an iPad2. I had a little bit of a learning curve but once I learned all the nuances of the platform I love it. My AirBook never fails, boots in 3 seconds, powers down in the same amount of time and I run all the regular MS stuff like Word, Excel, PP.

Yea, everybody in our house has an Apple product except for the infant but he'll have an iPod before you know it.

People who think that Apple is all marketing don't get the details. Mac products are designed to be intuitive, so the user can focus on the experience and not the headache. The effort that goes into industrial design is incredible. It's why that Apple product looks better sitting on the table and feels better in your hands...it's part art part machine. The unibody on the Macbook allows them to make it lighter and smaller than most PC's. They actually machine the frame from a single piece of aluminum. Nobody else does this...And they're cool. Whipping out your new 4G iPhone is cool. Whipping out your Blackberry is not cool, unless you're 12.

They have great marketing but Apple is one of the largest companies in the world because of their innovative products...period.

Disclaimer: Apple uses my companies software for product design.

-spence

[Piscator]

ask RIM what they think of Apple, wait who is RIM?

[Raven]

let me know when you can plug
a transducer in the 4g phone
and lower it over the side
of a boat...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I'll stick with my PCs where I can build one that has twice the power as a Mac for half the price. Oh and when I want to upgrade my components, I can pick and choose what I want to replace. Also, there are ways of running MacOS on a non-Apple machine so the "stability" argument doesn't hold any weight to me.

Agreeing with you from my W7 $500 in upgrade parts which will beat a $3500 8Core MAC Pro in most cases and the $5000 12 Core in many.

i5 2500K, 16GB ram, 1.5GB Radeon and I haven't even O'Clocked...

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, everybody in our house has an Apple product except for the infant but he'll have an iPod before you know it.

People who think that Apple is all marketing don't get the details. Mac products are designed to be intuitive, so the user can focus on the experience and not the headache. The effort that goes into industrial design is incredible. It's why that Apple product looks better sitting on the table and feels better in your hands...it's part art part machine. The unibody on the Macbook allows them to make it lighter and smaller than most PC's. They actually machine the frame from a single piece of aluminum. Nobody else does this...And they're cool. Whipping out your new 4G iPhone is cool. Whipping out your Blackberry is not cool, unless you're 12.

They have great marketing but Apple is one of the largest companies in the world because of their innovative products...period.

Disclaimer: Apple uses my companies software for product design.

-spence

Thank You for introducing a new low for shallow.

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

Ipads and Iphones are a waste unless you hack them. Once you have Cydia it makes sense to own one.

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Agreeing with you from my W7 $500 in upgrade parts which will beat a $3500 8Core MAC Pro in most cases and the $5000 12 Core in many.

i5 2500K, 16GB ram, 1.5GB Radeon and I haven't even O'Clocked...

What a nerd

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thank You for introducing a new low for shallow.

Please explain.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[The Dad Fisherman]

This still makes me laugh......

[RIJIMMY]

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wow - Am i Suprised?
Typical apple superiority crap. Spence - why is there ALWAYS a line at the apple store in the customer support line? Why when I called apple support, before asking me what my problem was, the phone rep tried to sell me $79 support plan? For something that is supposed to be intuitivie, they sure put a lot into support and apparently people need it.
Spence, you can spout your nonsense but the reality is that Saturday, I have to drive 30 miles to Dedham to return the $100 item that is for ipad that doesnt work, I then have to have an apple geek look at my BRAND NEW ipad and tell me what I already know, then drive back to Mansfield to Best Buy to return it. I guess spending my day off to have a slick item is considered cool, but I'm ripped. We have a Wii, 2 DSs, 2 laptops pcs, 2 desktop pcs, and andriod phones. Tons of software and never, not once have I had to call support. I've spent 3+ hrs on the ipad an will spend another 3-4 this weekend. F-that. I dont need to look cool to 16yr olds.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I LOVE THIS THREAD

[RIJIMMY]

I should have my kid take a video of my discussion when I go to the apple store on Sunday. I'll be a youtube sensation.

[GregW]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I should have my kid take a video of my discussion when I go to the apple store on Sunday. I'll be a youtube sensation.

I had the complete opposite experience with Apple. I broke my iphone, when it fell out of my pocket while unloading my canal bike.
Screen had a crack on it, still uisable , but I couldn't live with it.
I made an appt at the Apple store for an hour later. Drove up and told the guy , hey I dropped it I want to know my best option for replacing it. The guy went out back and got me a new one, said it was free of charge because the iphones had a recption issue. They then asked me if they wanted me to have them sync my contacts. I said sure and 5 minutes later I am out the door with a brand new phone free of charge. Went home plugged it in and it added everything from my voicemail to texts off my last backup.
I'm suprised youa re having a hard time.

[Raven]

i just ate some apple PIE

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Spence - why is there ALWAYS a line at the apple store in the customer support line? Why when I called apple support, before asking me what my problem was, the phone rep tried to sell me $79 support plan? For something that is supposed to be intuitivie, they sure put a lot into support and apparently people need it.

The Apple Marketing and PR force has trained Apple product users to always assume "well it must be something I did wrong. Can't be my Apple product."

If Apple is so great and meticulous with design, how exactly did something so simple like the whole antenna issue occur with the iPhone 4. Then, Apple tried telling people "well you're holding it wrong," just another way of reinforcing the "we are perfect, users are stupid" brand.

Like I said before, the iPod and iPhone were groundbreaking. There is a lot to be commended for being first-to-market with those types of products. However, let's also keep in mind that it's not really the products that are the source of Apple's success, but the way in which they made purchasing music easier and then pigeon-holed users into using iTunes for all their Apple products. The iPod may have just been another mp3 player if it wasn't for iTunes.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

wow - Am i Suprised?
Typical apple superiority crap. Spence - why is there ALWAYS a line at the apple store in the customer support line? Why when I called apple support, before asking me what my problem was, the phone rep tried to sell me $79 support plan? For something that is supposed to be intuitivie, they sure put a lot into support and apparently people need it. Spence, you can spout your nonsense but the reality is that Saturday, I have to drive 30 miles to Dedham to return the $100 item that is for ipad that doesnt work, I then have to have an apple geek look at my BRAND NEW ipad and tell me what I already know, then drive back to Mansfield to Best Buy to return it. I guess spending my day off to have a slick item is considered cool, but I'm ripped. We have a Wii, 2 DSs, 2 laptops pcs, 2 desktop pcs, and andriod phones. Tons of software and never, not once have I had to call support. I've spent 3+ hrs on the ipad an will spend another 3-4 this weekend. F-that. I dont need to look cool to 16yr olds.

So you're defining your impression of one of the most successful companies in the history of the world off of your ONE bad experience?

I've been to an Apple store for a problem once. My son shattered the LCD on my wife's MacBook. Yes, it wouldn't have happened if I had a Dell, but that's the price/performance tradeoff. I thought the Apple store was silly having to make an appt, deal with the Apple genius etc...but in the end they fixed it at a reasonable price and within a few days. Very happy with the service.

I have no Apple superiority complex. I do think they put a lot more investment in the whole user experience than do PC makers. Some people don't care, fine, do what you want...

And BTW, nobody hooks a guitar up to an iPad, that's just silly

-spence

[Raven]

it's just all funny stuff Kev

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're defining your impression of one of the most successful companies in the history of the world off of your ONE bad experience?

no - google ipad2 speaker/headphone, go to youtube and search. its all over the place. Tons of people are having the issue. Drop $700 on something, yeah, I guess I expect it to work after a few weeks. I also failed to mention the ipod issues I had and had to have a tech come to my house but thats another story

I've been to an Apple store for a problem once. My son shattered the LCD on my wife's MacBook. Yes, it wouldn't have happened if I had a Dell, but that's the price/performance tradeoff. I thought the Apple store was silly having to make an appt, deal with the Apple genius etc...but in the end they fixed it at a reasonable price and within a few days. Very happy with the service.

you failed to explain why there is ALWAYS a line at the counter. Its because "ease of use" aint to easy. Its like dating a hot chick that is a moron, you dont want to put her down because you want to appear cool but take away her looks your left with a dimwit. Most apple uses put up with the BS so they can remain cool

I have no Apple superiority complex. I do think they put a lot more investment in the whole user experience than do PC makers. Some people don't care, fine, do what you want...

I think they invest a lot in marketing for people like you that think your phone or pc make you hip and creative. Again, I had NO problems with many electronic gadgets over the years, none,

And BTW, nobody hooks a guitar up to an iPad, that's just silly

one of the biggest apps for ipad and mac is "garage band". Its one of the hip and creative tools apple sells. I have a few expensive recording programs and garage band is very cool, I give apple credit for it. In order to record, you need to plug into it. Your comment demonstrates the real apple population - hip and creative people, that are not hip and creative! 99% of ipad lovers are playing angry birds and browsing the web, try to use it as a tool for actually doing some-----boing, dont work! I guess apple users like you are still amazed you can write a note with your finger, wow, cool.I

-spence

We'll see how Saturday works out. Spence - want to speculate?

[zacs]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're defining your impression of one of the most successful companies in the history of the world off of your ONE bad experience?

I've been to an Apple store for a problem once. My son shattered the LCD on my wife's MacBook. Yes, it wouldn't have happened if I had a Dell, but that's the price/performance tradeoff. I thought the Apple store was silly having to make an appt, deal with the Apple genius etc...but in the end they fixed it at a reasonable price and within a few days. Very happy with the service.

I have no Apple superiority complex. I do think they put a lot more investment in the whole user experience than do PC makers. Some people don't care, fine, do what you want...

And BTW, nobody hooks a guitar up to an iPad, that's just silly

-spence

if it was a PC you could have fixed it yourself & cheaper.

Our 4 PCs are all laptops, and they are all bulletproof stable, start in seconds load in seconds, were 25% the cost of apples, and run any software, use any parts, and in general, kick ass.

My phones are droids. I want to load in my music... no itunes, I just hook it up to my PC and it appears as a new "drive" and i copy the folders over. If I then want to put that music on another copmuter. hook up the phone to that PC, and the drive appears and I put it over.
The phone recognizes you have music on the phone and it is arranged and access very intuitively.

Same with pictures. No itunes, no BS. just hook up the phone and copy over the pics. to whatever PC you want.

all the same apps.

I have used Iphones and Macs. never a IPad. but the droid tablets are pretty sweet too.... And you've got a bunch of companies competing to make droid devices, so they keep getting better faster. COMPETITION MAKES TECHNOLOGY GREAT. Apple has done everything they can to squash any competition. They suck!

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Like I said before, the iPod and iPhone were groundbreaking. There is a lot to be commended for being first-to-market with those types of products. However, let's also keep in mind that it's not really the products that are the source of Apple's success, but the way in which they made purchasing music easier and then pigeon-holed users into using iTunes for all their Apple products. The iPod may have just been another mp3 player if it wasn't for iTunes.

Like I said, they Apple is focused on the entire user experience.

What you see as being "pigeon-holed" they see as industry transformation. It's funny, people complain about how constraining Apple products are and they end up using them anyway

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Like I said, they Apple is focused on the entire user experience.

What you see as being "pigeon-holed" they see as industry transformation. It's funny, people complain about how constraining Apple products are and they end up using them anyway

-spence

itunes was just stolen from napster